Wow, I feel like burning my PSP

Sony sued him and took measurements because of that guy Sony will lose tons of money as result of piracy.
They can't solve this by releasing a new system because the PS3 has a life expectansy of at least 10 years. So yeah, I get where they're coming from.

 

This is all so silly. So the kid released some stuff? Yes, his whole life must be destroyed by the behemoth company that is Sony. Oh yes, because he was going to destroy Sony by exposing the flaws in their console.

I care very little for this homebrew scene, but honestly? Sony, a multi-million company destroying the life of a little rascal? Give me a break. The milk is spilled, just give him community service and leave him be.This is just deplorable. Sony is using the law as a method of suppression. Which sucks, people need to stop being so butthurt about hackers.

So, now we have hackers, which the young man, may or may have not helped in their endeavors. So, yes let's burn him at the stake, that'll fix everything.

It's just games. Not worth the lifetime of a young person being ruined, regardless of his wrong-doings. I'm not saying hacking is right. But this is too extravagant.

 

[COLOR="CC00000"]You said that history shows the best way to get the most out of a console is to hack it...does that count for PCs too?

I've personally never altered my gaming systems and I've not found any of the games I like disappointing.
I think the issue with the hack is that if Sony did say "yeah it's no big deal" it would encourage people to dig deeper into these systems and potentially get sensitive information. It's possible on the internet, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone with enough experience and skill could get into whatever wifi the PS3 uses and **** people up bad.
Not saying that it would happen, just that coming down hard on something like this is a pretty clear message that screwing with the PS3 at this level isn't acceptable.
Honestly had he not released the code or whatever online, I doubt it'd be this big of a deal. [/COLOR]

 

Yeah .

 

Prosecuting Geohut is a bit far, yeah. But if it succeeds, we should blame it on the justice system for allowing it, not on Sony for exerting their legal right.

Banning jailbroken PS3s is fair game. It's always been this way. If you use CFW, or hack a console, you lose online benefits. Microsoft does it, and Sony did it to the PSP too. I can see the justice in Sony removing access to their services unless you use the most recent firmware and not hack.

The spying is horrible, although we don't know the full extent of it. The credit card information doesn't matter, because the data was never intended to be rerouted to someone else.

If I buy a car, and then modify it to have no indicators, no tires, no breaks and be amazingly unsafe, then it's perfectly fair that I don't drive it on the road, yes. It's completely unjustified for the government to stop me driving my death-trap of a car on my own property, as I like, or to prosecute the guy who taught me how to modify it.


Geohut has not done anything wrong. Yes, his code will aid others in pirating games, but it was released with the intention of expanding the PS3's horizons, to do stuff Sony can't or won't do themselves. He removed restrictions placed upon owners of the systems. It is up to the owners to decide how to act with these new found abilities.

Most PCs come without any restrictions placed on what you can do with the hardware, so they don't need to be broken into.

In terms of software, it's still true. You get the most out of everything by hacking, as it means you can do what you couldn't do before. The only downside is that it can take time to get it working.

 

Are you people even listening to me? Geohot's hack has been out for months now and you cannot pirate on it. Furthermore even if piracy became possible on the PS3 they wouldn't suffer a huge income loss. But that's a different argument.

In a way, yes. Ever heard of overclocking? Texture mods? I could go on...

I disagree with this though. Granted, it is Sony's right because you don't pay for PSN, it just doesn't seem fair to me. Nintendo lets hacked Wii users play.

 

Alot of companies will not be surviving if we did not pay for games. There is something called profit.

 

But...the released code doesn't allow games to be pirated >>

That's been said so many times in this thread and you'd think that people would get it the second time.

 

i know. i just felt like being ignorant.

 

This thread is hilarious.

 

lolwut

so you are saying that it is wrong to tinker with programs that could result in a companies' loss of profit?

/sarcasm

 

They made the cosnole, you bought it. You play on their servers online, you play by their rules. It's worse on xbox because you pay for live. I modded my gamerscore and they reset me, made my gamerzone "cheater", and i lost ALL of the gamerscore i earned for real. On top of that, I can no longer get gamerscore for those achievements. All because i hacked it. This isn't too relevant to your "PS3 is nothing w/o hacks" problem.

But this is. If you managed to hack into your school's grades online, and magically hacked your grades to 100s or As to get the most out of the education that you paid for, and get busted, you get bricked IRL. It's fine. It's fair. Deal with it.

 

Yes, but when a system is hacked, the overwhelming majority of people still don't pirate. It's something like 10% of Wii owners hack their Wiis, and not all of them even pirate. And the ones who do are usually the ones who wouldn't buy games anyway. You want I should explain the chart?

 

Well... I could say a lot about this, but it would be revisiting what people have already said... and btw, again... I think P covered pretty much everything and again... is right.
Now, first of all, instead... I'm gonna make a bit of a moan about Sony for another reason...
Action Replay!
It worked on PSP until they upgraded the firmware past 6.20
Now Action Replay/Codejunkies etc is an official company that makes official products, and yet Sony upgraded the firmware and removed the appropriate software that Action Replay needed to run, fully aware that it would do so.
Basically Sony screwed them and many paying customers over big time.
That's the only reason I've used CFW on my PSP... I was pissed understandably.

Now in terms of pirating (which I've never done and never will do), getting games for free yadayadah yadah...
Yes, it harms the company as they aren't getting the money, but technically, it amounts to file sharing like with ISO's and anything else etc etc,
similar to the view about Limewire, Utorrent, it's not against the law to possess the programme and get the stuff for free as far as I've heard, however it is against the law to distribute said items and make a profit.
I think it's the same with possessing a hacked console. But that is just my opinion there. After all, the PSP is my only hacked console in terms of CFW, and I feel I'm justified from the above reasons for that.

Now, I feel I lost my point somewhere during the writing of this so far as I have now forgotten the original point I was going to make with this post... -_-;
So... if I remember I'll post again, as for now... thats just a few things to mull over.
And yes, I'm aware some people will probably slaughter what I've said for various reasons (heck I'm aware I might be wrong, but as mentioned before, I'm going by what I have heard)
anyway... yeah (Y)

 

You guys took the words right out of my textual mouth.

I don't know about hacks and all that other bull. But I am of the opinion that if something isn't broke then it doesn't need to be fixed. If the console plays the games released for it just fine then I don't need to bother with anything else.

However, I did pick up some sort of vibe from this thread. Something like 'the corporations' are after the man, man.' vibe. It made me laugh a little and it made me want to smack a hippie.

brb finding a hippie

 

I didn't expect people to call me a hippe, I thought I was going to get the usual "conservative Christian right-wing nutjob" treatment. Hmph.

But IF YOU BUY something you have the right to do what you want with it! Sony not allowing people to hack their consoles would be like someone repossessing your house because you painted it. IT BELONGS TO YOU, YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH IT.

 

Yes, because Sony totally has the right to keep people from using their own unique talents (in this case, coding) for something that isn't illegal or immoral in the first place.

 

I dunno what the law is in the US (I read that there is a similar law but I don't know if that's correct) but in the Uk what he has done is illegal. It'd fall under the Computer Misuse Act. Which basically means it's illegal to hack, alter etc any software that doesn't belong to you. So, if folk in the UK decide to hack their machines Sony have every right to brick it.

 

if it invloves the use of the internet servers of sony, which is theirs, its wrong.
Let's say games were being Pirated as an example. from other consloles as emulators.
Those people just stole a game that wasnt made by sony, under sony's watch. now sony is in trouble.

You wanna hack the console, fine. go ahead. If it touches the servers of anything sony online, then you're messing with THEIR property. THEIR servers. THAT costs money to keep clean. YOU would be a problem. It's fine to keep your hacks to yourself. its not fine to hack what you didn't pay for, and dont own.

tl;dr Hack offline or its virtualy illeagal.

 

I'm not sure if the applies to a gaming console but the US Department of Justice has this definition of a computer:

Source

I have a feeling this site is dealing with computer hacking but I think the same principle applies here.