Will Natural Selection Continue?

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  1. Soushirei 運命の欠片

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    Source please.

    And my point still stands. There's nothing natural about humans purposefully going out and extinguishing another race of people out of personal opinion. He may have 'believed in natural selection', but that's certainly not what he did. He'd be a perfect example of someone who didn't read his biology textbook properly in high school/college.

    Natural Selection is at the whim of nature's effects on species. Hitler is not mother nature; just another human being who thought he had the authority to reshape the human race.
     
  2. RoxasNoxas Hollow Bastion Committee

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    This is from Wikipedia.

    Hitler did not believe in a "remote, rationalist divinity" but in an "active deity,"[25] which he frequently referred to as "Creator" or "Providence". In Hitler's belief God created a world in which different races fought each other for survival as depicted by Arthur de Gobineau. The "Aryan race", supposedly the bearer of civilization, is allocated a special place:

    "What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and the reproduction of our race ... so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. ... Peoples that bastardize themselves, or let themselves be bastardized, sin against the will of eternal Providence."[26]

    The Jews he viewed as enemies of all civilization and as materialistic, unspiritual beings, writing in Mein Kampf: "His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine." Hitler described his supposedly divine mandate for his anti-Semitism: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."


    Yeah, I agree with you. He didn't read his textbooks.
     
  3. Sanda Kingdom Keeper

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    Hitler & his aryan race. Yeahhh aryans were from india...so its very ironic; he had named his own idea of a 'perfect race' after ones that wouldnt conform to his 'standards'

    The germans didnt feel that Jews were human. That is how they were able to gas them by the 100s. To them, they were nothing more than a disease that plagued the world. ;___; Its not natrual selection, its genocide.


    I agree with you. I just think that HE/Nazis thought that WAS natural selection; to them the Jews were inferior beings that were weak and shouldnt live. But to call genocide natural selection, I like you wouldnt because there is nothing natural about the process...
     
  4. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    I am doing this now. by saying that I am thinking of selective breeding your wrong, all I am trying to put past is that if the weak die then they can not breed with the stronger of a species you would only have the choice of mating with the strong, when i put strong i mean as people who have mutations in their gene, I am not trying to make people mate with each other.
     
  5. White_Rook Looser than a wizard's sleeve.

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    Hitler did that because he saw the Jews as the scapegoat for the failure of World War I. I don't know how that fit into the picture seeing as the Germans that fought in WWI were...well German.
     
  6. Soushirei 運命の欠片

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    The moment you 'pick' these factors consciously, you're no longer dealing with natural selection.

    No, that's selective breeding.

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    What part of 'natural' is not being understood here?
     
  7. Inasuma "pumpkin"

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    Um, no. Natural selection is not made of choice, it is by natural cause. You cannot choose what you want to pass on.

    No it isn't. Just because both parents are 'pretty' doesn't mean your child will be any prettier. It could turn out physically disfigured, resulting in a possible ******ation. But getting back to the point, you cannot have a 'choice' of what is passed on. That would be "Artificial evolution" if I am not mistaken.

    You cannot 'adapt' intelligent. We have adapted new ways of becoming more intelligent, but that in no way means we can become more intelligent on our own.

    You sound like Leeuwenhoek for some reason when you say that. =/
    Of course we will. We've been able to increase longevity, which wasn't natural selection, but it was because we have medicine to treat life-threatening disease.

    lol hay Soushi.
     
  8. Soushirei 運命の欠片

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    It really isn't. Natural Selection and selective breeding are two different things. You really should know the difference. There is a premeditative goal with dating. Such a thing doesn't happen in Natural Selection. This is because one of the key requirements for a legitimate case of Natural Selection to occur is that each male and female in the sample population should have an EQUAL chance of reproducing with one another. In other words, mating is 'randomized' and unbiased. There are loads of bias in dating.

    And for the record, I've studied 'this junk' for the past 4 years, my most recent being first year Biology at York University.
     
  9. White_Rook Looser than a wizard's sleeve.

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    Dating is biased towards a respective person's tastes and perceptions so that they find a counterpart that suits them. Natural Selection isn't goal oriented like that.
     
  10. IcyKitty Moogle Assistant

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    natural selection only partially affects ppl. the decline in the effectiveness of it began when the human discovered medicine. then antibiotics really threw it off.

    some diseases that cant be cured still will continue to do their part and get rid of the "weak" [ppl who get then].

    however, if the disease is genetic, and the person marries and has children because of love and not who is the strongest as it is in nature, the disease might be passed on. in natural selection, the person would probably not be chosen to have children because of the disease or not live long enough to be able to reproduce.

    so its a strange thing to try to calculate how much natural selection is actually affecting the human race xP i do believe it is affecting it less than the rest of the natural world tho. o.o

    [does that make any sense at all? xP]

    im probably repeating things already said.
     
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