Awaiting Feedback Why Rep Should Return: Our Posts Are Worth More Than a Like

This is also a good example as to why it's good to limit rep/likes/whatever.

I don't want to come back to 60 alerts, none of them being something worthwhile like a comment, and instead all of them being just likes.

Plus the fact that people can constantly go and like posts with no restraint would make it easier for people to help their friends get a Material for pins when that person doesn't deserve it since their posts aren't like-worthy.

 

Rep is something that people look at and compare between each other, people looked at the member list and sorted it based on rep to see who had the most and where they stood, rep can give you ACTUAL feedback be it positive or negative with the comments whereas Likes are just "So and so likes this". They're both essentially number systems, but this one is more detailed and we had it before and people liked it, so why not bring it back because clearly most people don't care for our current one all that much.

And If they really hold "no significant meaning what so ever" then you guys should just implement rep back into the system because this thread has been in this section for less than two hours and already has more posts than one thread would get in weeks as well as more posts than 8 threads put together. Clearly people want this.[DOUBLEPOST=1375134730][/DOUBLEPOST]

This. Especially that middle sentence. Dear god so many wasted notifications because of stupid likes. Do I care? NO.

 

Would appreciate it if you could edit up that quote, I had to fix the post! :'D

But thank ye, especially for that last line.

 

I like reps but to me reps and likes aren't really the same. "Like" is kinda like a facebook like or something. lol IDK maybe I'm dumb.

 

I'm on my iPod atm and the images just take me to a photobucket tab where I can't increase the size, so I will hunt for this feature to give a more informed opinion later.

However,

It got converted to Likes, as PaW said when we moved to XenForo. The admins were originally going to keep Rep when we moved over, but the converted Rep and its new system were both buggy as hell, which is why Likes were just kept.

If we do get it there might be a chance we have to start over, but like I said, couldn't look at it at all sooo I'm gonna do that now and comment again later.

Would be kewl with going back to Rep though, or at the very least installing more regulation on Likes if the rep system is, as the other/maybe same??? one was, borky.

 

Am I the only person who loves getting alerted with new likes? lol.

and am I the only person who sorts the memberlist by 'likes' to see where I am in the list?


Honestly, I don't really care either way. I think that likes get the job done fine, personally. Also, I'm inclined to believe that those of you for the re-implementation of rep are the vocal minority. Feel free to prove me wrong on that though.

 

Well I imagine they'd do the same with reps "Vivi repped your post blah blah blah"

 

Mish is learning so much about her individuality today!

 

I don't think since around 7 members have posted in this thread for the last two hours means that we should easily change to a system that affects 54,000 registered members and counting. There are many more opinions than the ones already posted.

Rep wouldn't be any different, not change that.

Again, you want to add more, reply in a thread, post on their profile, start a personal convo, contact on SKype, email them, seriously we have a ton of ways to communicate with each other, do we really need another one to add to the ones we don't use? It's not like you can't comment at all about said post, otherwise I would agree.

If you want to include a 'staff view' instead of just my personal views, it would be worse for us in a lot of ways, it would men we have an extra job, something more to moderate on and get complaints from if people feel they were derepped inappropriately, offensively, etc. There are no Staff benefits, and honestly, that's not what we specifically look at, we look at whether it's a good enough benefit for all the members equally and if they actually want it, instead of simply including it if one person thinks it's a good idea or another person thinks it's bad. Were thinking of you guys, and my views are my views, obviously, it's not like there is a 'staff view' that encompasses all our opinions and dictates what we will post here.

All rep was converted into likes, which I believe meant all rep values were converted to simply 1 like. So if your old rep was 3, 12 and 6 you would've had 21 rep points. With the conversion, they were wade into 1, 1 and 1, so you had three likes. I believe this is what happened, i'm not an admin nor a web guy, but I think that was what happened. Others may know more. And it's not as simple as on and off, the conversion of rep to likes was a massive ***** to do and was a headache for Misty, and took the site even longer for the conversion to Xenforo to take place. It's not as easy as people are making it out to be.

For some reason, people seem to perceive staff as people wanting to monitor members actions and behaviour. We would rather you guys all got along and never upset the boat, we do moderate because we love this site and volunteered for this position and want to improve it in our own ways, where we can.

And commenting on rep is optional, if you expect someone to always write you a message, you should look now when you get likes from members and don't get a reply in your threads. It won't always happen with rep, so if you think the system will necessarily encourage commenting, I suspect it won't because people on the internet are lazy, generally.

In my experience, like I posted, it was not negligible, I remember people getting really upset about the amount of people who would gang up on them and neg rep them because of something they said. Reputation in my experience is just like a facebooker commenting on someone's status, which can be just as lovely or demoralising as your average facebook experience.

 

And that can't be done with a message post? Ignoring all the Rep that will undoubtedly have no comments attached to them at all, having the ability to comment with rep as opposed to Likes doesn't mean people can't comment. In fact, making people make a message response for others to see rather than the private eyes of an individual would help bolster communication because then others can chime in with things to add or disagree with or something.

Refer to my point towards HoT regarding feedback.

I was speaking of my own personal beliefs on the matter. I feel there is no significance in having a Like or Reputation system and would do away with both if giving the option. They are my thoughts on the matter. As you can see with Plum's posts, he wouldn't mind going back to the Rep system. The Staff on KHV isn't a hive mind and should not be treated as such.

 

As someone who was head of staff back when the reputation system was first implemented, I'm going to have to disagree with you about it causing many disputes. I got a lot of PM's from people who disagreed with their reputation involving certain posts, but under review and discussion amongst others, for the most part it always ended up being a non-issue and the reputation was justified. It wasn't that hard to deal with the few issues of abuse involving the reputation system, either. I also strongly disagree with your point about keeping the like system and not giving reputation a chance simply because it's easier. As you can see, many people agree with this suggestion and feel like it would be beneficial to the forum. Quickly shunning the idea because of hypothetical if's and but's or in my opinion, false recollections of past experiences with by now, a completely different and new userbase is pretty much blasphemous. People enjoyed the rep system. It worked well. It gave a greater sense of satisfaction when you made a good post and people enjoyed it and you could read a short comment about why. You won't see a ton of people reply to a post in a thread outside of the spamzone saying "That was a great post." or whatever other variation of praise they have because it would clog up the thread and it's unfitting.

To be honest, it seems like most suggestions by users on this forum, even if they're universally accepted by the userbase, get little or no attention and end up forgotten about. Maybe this would be a good opportunity for the staff to let the forum know that they have a say in what goes on on the website they've quite literally kept alive for so many years.

I am in agreement with the idea suggested in this thread. That is all.

 

i do it too :v

did it with rep too. when that was a thing (and btw it should be a thing again)

 

I WAS GONE TEN MINUTES

 

Good to see it's not just me getting these then.

 

this this a thousand times this.

and especially this

 

Okay so I checked and its the same Reputation system that the Admins had initially tried during the move to XenForo.

I can't remember exactly what they had said was borking it (trying to dig it up now), but yeah. :v

I know it converting VB -> XenForo was borked, dunno how Likes -> Rep would work though. Still searching for that. I also forgot what it was that was borked, also gonna dig for that.

 

This. All of this. EVERYTHING.

It's like that want to start user council or something prove to us our opinions matter on everything...[DOUBLEPOST=1375135725][/DOUBLEPOST]

Are you off your iPod? This seems to be a different rep system add-on than the one we were told about when we asked on launch.

 

[Added a poll.]

Also, guys, let's keep our posts constructive and well-thought out. A lot of borderline spam up in this thread.

 

Posts don't count here, do they?

 

Your own personal beliefs, yes, but most of you are indifferent about it from what I've seen. Your beliefs are shared, just look at Mish's post.

And as for feedback, why should feedback based on YOUR opinion about Member X's post be a GROUP discussion? If I feel a certain way about your post that's more between you and I than between the entire forum and whoever wants to chime in.

In response to you and Mish basically calling us a vocal minority, I'd like to point out that we're the only one's showing that we care. The majority isn't being vocal right now and they were't vocal against rep when we had it. Let them come in and speak if they don't like our suggestion, it's all over the "What's New" page. And adding rep wouldn't affect 54,000 members. I know most of them don't log in everyday, or even every year.