Awaiting Feedback Why Rep Should Return: Our Posts Are Worth More Than a Like

Well Vivica I'm sure there's probably a way of being able to make it so we can't decide how much we give, which honestly wouldn't bother me. I just like the idea of a rep system as whole better than Likes.

 

This prompts me to ask: This XenForo version of rep does have a flood buffer, correct? Because that's how it used to be, and that's how stuff like the above was prevented.

 

In the picture showing the mechanics of how it's set up there is a daily limit, so yes it has a flood buffer. No just repping every single post everyday.

 

Yes. See the mechanics image.

 

I do miss the old rep system but I'm a little bit used to the like system though.
Is it possible to have both the rep and like system but have them as a separate value?

 

So here's a personal thing I want to share that I didn't remember myself until last night...

See, I was browsing my photobucket just for nostalgia purposes when I cam across images like this

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Now, I'm not sure why that one is circled.. Knowing good ol' SJ, he showed it someone and they shared a laugh. Either way, there are plenty of screens I found in my photobucket of my rep viewer... I was so ecstatic back in the day when I got good rep and got so riled up with bad rep that I screenshot'd it.

Obviously, I'm way too old for this nowadays... but I'd like to be able to give younger users, and even future users this type of excitement over what they've done

THAT IS VALUE.

But then they'd both be pointless. This really isn't facebook.

 

To note, when we moved to Xenforo, your reps points were converted into like points.

I'm not a fan. Likes are simple and easy to use, one click on the post you like and done. Comments an be nice and helpful in telling what you liked about the post, but you can reply in a thread saying why you liked it, Personal convo them, post on their status, really we have a reputation system in place it just works differently, which people aren't fully utilising I believe.

Also the amount of people who use to actually take reputation seriously was phenomenal, and caused disputes. Dereps created arguments, call out threads and bitchyness.
I can already guess several people who would leave negative rep and a comment 'You're ****ing worthless! Go **** off and die!' or the like, hell, I had three neg reps like that years ago.

I just don't see the relevance, considering we already have several ways to communicate with each other and praise them. For some reason praise needs to lead into having a popular reputation which isn't necessarily representative of the person and needs to be monetised into number values.

 

Honestly I don't remember anyone taking things THAT seriously for a long time. We rarely had any call out threads or arguments based on rep in the past few years as far as I can recall.

 

Derep. 0/10. Go die, sh*thead.

Likes are simple, but they don't add much. They're also not what this forum had since 2005 before it wanted to be facetube. All a like is to most people is just an alert to reply with "oh, cool." You could PM them, but that's not integrated into the system- adding more to the rep.
Rep would also be easily viewable by staff thanks to our awesome profile layout, so you guys could do some moderatin' on people abusing the system.

Saying likes give more representation of an average post quality is crazy, especially because rep would still have a number.


You've admitted that rep was converted to likes... so what you're saying is it can be converted again.[DOUBLEPOST=1375133044][/DOUBLEPOST]

I really don't remember any from my hayday, and they were quickly dissolved if there were any. Is somebody violating the rules really a problem with the system, or the idiot violating the rules?

 

You can't deny that rep comments are more convenient than what you describe. Besides, the downside to likes is essentially the same as the upside: They're simple. They're easy. In other words, they have no lasting effect. Instead of taking it too seriously, it's so mindless it may as well not exist. Besides, people will argue over anything. Isn't it up to the staff to corral that behavior in the first place? If they're doing a good job of it, things should be at least as peaceful in the future as they are now.

It's not supposed to inflate the person's ego, it's supposed to be wholesome, genuine praise for admirable behavior - one that's in the users' hands, not arbitrarily doled out by a specific entity or a virtual process. It carries weight. This weight can be thrown around, true enough, but the push and pull generally balances out. Likes are just too... stale. Too static. They don't mean anything. In fact, sometimes I just get irritated at my likes, when I think the blip in my notifications is actually someone responding to my post and generating content.

That and it's also impossible to downvote people who are acting like idiots, which puts a bad taste in my mouth. Of course, negarep has been abused in the past, but to a negligible degree in my experience. And I felt at least half my negarep was undeserved, to put it in perspective. In the end you're trading a set of pros and cons, and I know which I'd rather have.

 

One thing I'd like to point out about how I've always felt about likes is it encourages laziness. See a post you like? LIKE IT AND MOVE ON! I've seen threads where it's the OP and then that post has like 5 likes and no replies. The like system is just so simple, you click a button and move on. It encourages nothing out of us.

 

The one thing I remember is getting de-tropes for something stupid like not knowing what "Trap" meant. I didn't care because that's what it was-- completely stupid-- and to me it seemed like the member didn't like me and had PURPOSELY used that as an excuse to say "I don't like you so I'll De-rep you for something this stupid"

 

The screenshot I posted above is a negative rep that literally hit me for a small amount of points because they were new and I was a rep hound. People like that will get ya, but when you can weigh all the good over it, it feels good.

 

Also one thing I liked about rep is it at least allows one to give and receive negative feedback, which is an integral part of a community setting. Whereas with Likes it's either positive or nothing, which is completely unrealistic.

 

Yup, I had those idiots, too, who ganged up on me with negative reputation.

Couldn't not liking something either mean you didn't see it or you don't like it enough to like it?

 

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It COULD mean that but there is no way of knowing, and like we pointed out the value of a like is almost nothing considering A. they are limitless and B. the materials they eventually yield are essentially useless right now.

With Rep you can let someone know exactly how you feel about their post be it negative or positive, instead of either positive or indifference/ignorance.[DOUBLEPOST=1375134056][/DOUBLEPOST]

Yes but people clearly cared more about rep and tried to get their rep up by posting, people essentially had friendly competition with rep, people were ambitious with rep. Now when to comes to Likes everyone is more or less like you are about both. They don't care at all.

Also, the fact that rep had more of an in-depth system with limits and scaling based on different factors and couldn't be handed out infinitely every day made it more valuable. I've got literally like 10 likes from this thread and what are they doing for me?

 

And what does rep do for you exactly? They are both just numbers in the end that really hold no significant meaning whatsoever....

 

Indeed, and I think with this new rep system (since the mods will be able to see it), we can get rid of stunts like this, which is why I see it as a better system than likes and the old one.[DOUBLEPOST=1375134352][/DOUBLEPOST]

It's more of a fact that people can comment on it and tell you why they agree or disagree, so that helps shape better communication I think.

 

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Now keep that music playing and see how many posts in this thread are liked by Amaury, Ben, and both. IT'S CRAZY.

I mean, does anyone really think I couldn't count on Amaury showing up and liking everything in sight?