who would u rather have as pres. Obama or Mcain dont let this offened u

Well it seems like Obama is trying to look like the Jesus of politics because he's trying to be friends with the D/R. The thing is that's bad for politics because most politicians want a president who has a side.

 

Actually, I like that he's at least attempting to break the walls of partisanship. The party system is tearing this country apart at the seams. Democrats calling Republicans right-wing facists, Republicans calling Democrats communists, it's all just awful. Sure, he's probably only doing it to make himself look better in the eyes of history, but at least he's trying. It's one of the few things I actually like about Obama.

... Don't let my posts in this thread deceive you. I still dislike Obama quite a lot.

 

Where's the "Neither" option?

 

I know because George Washington predicted it would happen. Now look where it got us. We're still not united. We're split into 3 The democratic, republican and green parties divide the country.

 

Actually, he's not bringing the soldiers back.
Sure, he's taking them out of Iraq, but he's only transferring them over to Afghanistan because he believes that we have neglected what we originally planned to do over there.

 

Which is all he could do, and he did it. Let's not expect miracles. He gave them those legal rights (I find it hilarious that I don't even know which ones we're talking about and how important they are but anyhow) which counts as an accomplishment.

Those found guilty aren't exactly getting released, or so I've heard. Like I said, many of them were supposed to be deported to Europe. Has that idea changed?
Also, I think that discussing what Obama has or hasn't done is quite an important side step in this debate and is significant in forming an opinion of him. In short; you'd have been perfectly on-topic if you had continued in my opinion.

One president seldom makes for a complete turnover between life and death of a country. He got you through, but what has he left behind? This isn't a rhetorical question by the way; I'm genuinely curious.

Nowhere, because that would make the poll insanely easy. Now you actually have to think your answer through and play the devil's advocate if you dislike both of them. Or to express it with a mildly funny motivational:

Or you could just not vote which is the equivalent of stopping for a picnic at the crossroads of said motivational and then turn back.

 

Overall Mccain is who I'd rather have now because the republicans started this and they need to get us out of it. Bush declared revenge if you guys remember

 

He signed the GI 9/11 bill
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2009/08/03/3111783-obama-celebrates-enactment-post-911-gi-bill

Credit card rights
http://credit.about.com/od/consumercreditlaws/a/creditbillright.htm

Currently working on america's health care system.

Signed a detailed executive order to ban torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners.

 

I find it ****ing hilarious that not long after he signs the credit card rights bill hundreds of people get their credit card numbers stolen, including my family.

And while that will hopefully help the soldiers...what about the country itself?
Such as, again, the health care and taxes that will be a result of it?
Especially after seeing something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VMXz6xGeqc

An estimated that over two million Americans marched there yesterday.
I'd like to see the President's reaction to this, if there is one.

I'd just like to say that these are more likely than not the same people that caused mass murder. :\

 

How unpatriotic that these people won't pay simple taxes that pay for schools, electricity, and roads.
Seriously the main core behind a democracy is that every person must put in their two cents of share. This goes for voting too, if you are eligible to vote, and you don’t vote then you are not patriotic in any way shape, or form, and don’t give me I was busy ****, you could have voted early.
A democracy is run by the people for the people. If the majority of people are too lazy to support their country then they don’t need to be apart of this country.

Sorry if I raddled on a little too much there its just you can't have change if you have people who are unwilling to pay their taxes.

 

That they won't pay?
No.
It's not that they won't pay.
They don't want higher taxes, which is EXACTLY what will be the direct cause of the "new health care".
And by the way, not all taxes go to just that. It goes to the government to pay for things like...say...the bailout Obama signed. Do you know how much tax money will go into that? Too goddamn much.

Some people don't vote because they don't want to, if they don't like either of the canidates from the parties, it is their right to withhold a vote.
Why should they be forced to vote for someone they don't want in office? Does that not go against the government of for the people, by the people?

Your post contradicts itself, you say they are unpatriotic but "a democracy is run by the people for the people", and they are doing their right given to them by the Constitution to protest agianst something they do not want.

Also, how are they unpatriotic if almost everyone there has an American flag?

Many people don't leave this country because they know how damn good it can be.
We have illegal immigrants - criminals, in most cases - running from their home countries and their laws to America, where they know they'll get a chance at a new life with no criminal record.
Which, quite honestly, makes me sick.

They are not unwilling.
They are doing what the people of the Revolutionary times did - peaceful protest against something they don't want.
They are not rebelling against the government, they however do not want to have to pay an additional tax for something most Americans don't even want.

 

Conclusion: A lot of people hate Obama, support McCain.

McCain = War.
Obama = Less war, more focus on economy.

...

 

Their is more than two parties they could vote for, the green party the yellow part, and some other ones. Pick the party you like the best, it's not that hard to do a little research, and then push a few buttons in a booth.

Why wouldn't you want to pay a tax to help people families with sick children and grandparents get affordable health care? Also how do you know that 'most' Americans don't want this when 70% of Americans are unwilling to vote on important subjects such as health care, or local politicians?

Does wearing an American flag on your shirt make you patriotic?
Does wearing a cross make you a Christian?
Does wearing Goth clothes make you Goth?
Does wearing a gay flag make you gay?

 

Maybe you didn't read my first post.

More focus on the economy?
As in...the stock market has been losing more points than it ever has in the past, all within the first few months of Obama's administration?

Economy by Cash for Clunkers, which people cash in old cars to get scrapped and leave a bunch of useless junk cars around that can't be refurbished and resold?

I don't really see how things are getting better yet.
If at all.

 

It's not that they don't want to help, it's that a lot of American families can barely get by and support their own families, let alone help out other families. This wealth redistribution crap is just that: crap. And 70% is a huge exaggeration. The actual number of Americans who abstain from voting is far lower, so the statistics for who doesn't want Obama's health care reforms are pretty accurate.

She never said "American flag shirt," she said "American flag."

 

Where are are these statistics?

Its still the same concept.
So if Osama bin Laden held an american flag in his hand would that make him patriotic?

 

Yeah, there are more than two parties.
But if you still don't like any of the options, you should not have to vote.
It's expressing freedom of choice.

Because the health care plan is ****.
The one we have now is better.
As John said, socialized health care can work, just not in our country.
And it is not a specific tax, it is rasing taxes in general. I don't want to pay the government any more of my hard earned money than I already am.

Well, if 2.2 million people isn't a good enough indication, what more do you want?
Or maybe the outcry against the health care caused a slight discussion of amending the bill so that all of America would have to have the health care - including the House and Senate.

Have you not heard of the town halls and the anger that the local politicians have been getting from their people? :/

Not necessarily.
But holding and waving thousands of flags?
Yeah.
That's pretty damn patriotic.
I'm wondering if you even watched the video I posted.

 

All over the media. It's pretty common knowledge.

No, but why would an unpatriotic American buy an American flag?

 

No, it's not.

Don't you even ****ing go there.
The only reason Osama would hold an American flag was if he were going to burn it.

But people marching, waving American flags proudly, and peacefully protesting against a tax they don't want to pay more of is patriotic.
Is that not what the basis of our country is?

 

Those are, indeed, good points you made. The stock markets are really crappy right now.
But let's look at it this way. Obama is a president, a new one. Give him a chance, and a bit of time. It is reasonable to say that he does a lot more speeches and less action. He has a lot of stress on him, he needs time to clear things up and think a bit.

He has tried to improve health care, that's something McCain would do too, however, Obama looks like he has more meaning in his speeches. You have to admit, McCain moves like a robot.

Let's focus on the GOOD in Obama, he seems like a suitable guy for the job.