Who Do You Want for President?

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Who?

  1. Romney

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    17.9%
  2. Obama

    19 vote(s)
    67.9%
  3. Stein

    4 vote(s)
    14.3%
  4. Goode

    0 vote(s)
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  5. Johnson

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Alan Smithee Destiny Islands Resident

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    Obama promised "change", and he gave it to us: he "changed" things from bad to worse. A vote against Obama is a vote for "true change".

    Obama's economic actions have failed to lower the unemployment rate in the U.S. to less than 8 percent for the past 44 months, which is a record.

    His administration's out-of-control spending has led America to the economic brink and destroyed our country's credit rating. In fact, his reckless spending and fiscal policies have added more to the national debt than most U.S. presidents combined -- roughly $6 trillion in his first term in office (making the total debt nearly $16 trillion and, by White House projections alone, $21.3 trillion by the end of fiscal 2017, $25 trillion in 2021 and $25.9 trillion in 2022).

    He has detrimentally increased not only the costs of entitlements but also the dependency of citizens upon government subsidies rather than empower the people's autonomy, responsibility and freedom, and he even demeans private enterprise and the entrepreneurial spirit -- the very heart of America.

    Speaking of the rest of the world, President Obama has left the U.S. in a weaker and more disrespected position in the global community.

    Other things to keep in mind are his 324 broken and/or unfulfilled campaign promises, his invoking and enabling a radically progressive secular state in the U.S., and his elevating himself above the U.S. Constitution -- which contains the rulebook for his presidency -- by discarding and bypassing its principles and tenets.

    4 more years of President Obama will not only fundamentally transform but also unravel the very fabrics of our republic as our Founding Fathers knew it and as we know it.
     
  2. jafar custom title

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    First of all, I'm not sure you know how to use quotation marks appropriately.

    Second of all, Obama changed things for the better. The unemployment rate is below 8%, there will be universal healthcare, he's ended the war in Iraq, he's had Osama bin Laden killed. These are important, landmark changes that are for the benefit of the United States and the rest of the world.

    Mitt Romney will have universal healthcare cut (which is a bill he developed, but to get elected, you gotta do what the party tells you to), he will make abortions illegal, and he will give more tax cuts to the wealthy.

    Mitt Romney will hurt our country and drive us into a deeper Recession.
     
  3. Guardian Soul hella sad & hella rad

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    Could you please clarify as to how he made the country worse?
     
  4. Menos Grande Kingdom Keeper

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    As for you guys that thinks that "taxes are punishing the ones that accel in the world". You live in the false sense of oportunity the system tells that everybody got a chance to trive, and even if we think that it is true, It doesnt mean what you are really thinking.
    Let's assume that "everybody got the same chances to be rich", that means everybody was born with the same education, the same money the same jobs, and after that it would be only by who is "The best"(just this part is cleary fake, but lets assume is true). Even in this imaginary world, even if ALL PEOPLE were equaly qualify to the best jobs our capitalism systems NEEDs people to be richer than others, and thus people more poor than others also.
    Why does you think that governments gives support to people whithout jobs? People aren't whithout jobs by their own violation, its only that sometimes the economy can't support them even if they are qualifyed, so "giving them money" is not just giving, they are receiving, but they are spending also making the economy rolls.
    So even by chance that would have to be poor people, I am not saying that capitalism ir wrong, or that there is a better way, but as It is expected that outcome it's the government obligation to remediate it, If not we wouldn't need one.

    Taxing the richs will not be a load so big as taxing the poor (as the poor need more the money), Think about it what 10 bucks less in you account today would make? Maybe nothing, but for some people could be the diference of feeding or not today, so taxing the poors is the real "punishiment" why would you agree on punishing 99% of your country I don't know.

    As for the economy all debts are made in Dollar, you control dollar curency so I wouldn't bother that much, you havent see true inflation yet, to go buy groecerys and in the other day the price be twice as much. I have seen 3 different currencys in my lifetime in Brazil, you are just acostumated with "dollar always beeing there", even if the china asked all the deabt that US have with it... US could say "Sure I print all the money you need" and than just change the coin after... Other countrys have problems paying debts as all debts are made in dollar, but not US as they print the money they're paying everybody else.

    As for pollution since Kyoto ( I think since before it) US never signed nothing by the principle "if is not us, others will do it"... only that is always US that skips signing everything. I guess probably there is not any internacional binding that US signed maybe thinking "We can't have less freadom" , the problem is that only you guys are doing, so you are the motive that makes you all suspect others.
     
  5. Misty gimme kiss

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    The very foundation of the Republican party is maintaining the status quo and following the Constitution strictly; they like things the way that they have been in the past and hearken back to it. We need to drastically reform this country and move away from the this THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE GODS AND CAN DO NO WRONG mindset.
    And what's Romney's plan for easing unemployment? Republicans have encouraged deep cuts within the public sector, putting thousands of state and federal employees out of work. Obama has created jobs. It takes a long time to reverse a recession that we've been heading towards for at least a decade.
    Basic economics: when the private sector stops spending, the only way to keep the economy going is for the public sector to spend more. The average American is cutting down on extraneous spending, tightening those belt loops--therefore, the government must spend to keep the economy alive.

    In addition, the basic and fundamental responsibility of a government is to provide service to its people. Service costs money, which is gathered from taxation. If you think you don't require or depend on government service, go buy a private island in the middle of nowhere and see how far you get. In order to reap the benefits of living in this country, you have to pay money; in order to provide those benefits, the government must spend money.
    Since when? The foundation of America is freedom, not business. This business centered ideal is very much an invention of the late 19th into the 20th century.
    Other country's opinions of the US improved dramatically after Obama was elected. Everyone knew Bush was an idiot.
    Obama hasn't done anything? Let's take a look at this, shall we?
    Four years ago, I voted for a man who promised to bring change to our country. This year, I am planning on making the exact same vote. Plenty of people have many negative things to say about Barack Obama. Out of everything that has been said throughout not just this election year, but throughout the last four years, there is one simple statement that I absolutely cannot stand…
    “Obama hasn’t done anything the entire time he’s been in office.”
    (well, that and the whole, “OBAMA IS A MUSLIM TERRORIST” because believe it or not, there are still some idiots out there that truly believe this…)
    Here I have for you, ladies and gentlemen, is a list of 108 things Obama has accomplishedduring his presidency so far.
    1. Saved the collapse of the American automotive industry by making GM restructure before bailing them out, and putting incentive money to help the industry
    2. Shifted the focus of the war from Iraq to Afghanistan, and putting the emphasis on reducing terrorism where it should have been all along
    3. Relaxed Anti-American tensions throughout the world
    4. Signed order to close the prisoner “torture camp” at Guantanamo Bay
    5. Has made the environment a national priority, and a primary source for job creation
    6. Has made education a national priority by putting emphasis and money behind new ideas like charter schools, but speaking directly to school children in telling them they have to do their part.
    7. Won the Nobel Peace Prize
    8. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
    9. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
    10. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
    11. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
    12. Renewed dialogue with NATO and other allies and partners on strategic issues.
    13. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force… this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
    14. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
    15. “Cash for clunkers” program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulates auto sales
    16. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
    17. Closed offshore tax safe havens
    18. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
    19. Ended media “blackout” on war casualties; reporting full information
    20. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
    21. . Ended media blackout on war casualties and the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB.
    22. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
    23. Ended previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
    24. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
    25. American Recovery and Reinvestment Act has created 2.1 million jobs (as of 12/31/09).
    26. Ended previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
    27. Ended previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
    28. Ended previous policy on torture; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards
    29. . Launched Recovery.gov to track spending from the Recovery Act, an unprecedented step to provide transparency and accountability through technology.
    30. Ended previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
    31. Ended previous “stop-loss” policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
    32. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
    33. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
    34. Established a new cyber security office
    35. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
    36. Expanding vaccination programs
    37. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses
    38. . Provided the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) with more than $1.4 billion to improve services to America’s Veterans.
    39. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
    40. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
    41. Responded with compassion and leadership to the earthquake in Haiti
    42. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
    43. . Launched Business.gov – enabling conversation and online collaboration between small business owners, government representatives and industry experts in discussion forums relevant to starting and managing a business. Great for the economy.
    44. Improved housing for military personnel
    45. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
    46. Changed failing war strategy in Afghanistan.
    47. Improving benefits for veterans
    48. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants…) after years of neglect
    49. Donated his $1.4 million Nobel Prize to nonprofits.
    50. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
    51. Provided tax credits to first-time home buyers through the Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009 to revitalize the U.S. housing market.
    52. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
    53. Increasing student loans
    54. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return “home” to visit loved ones
    55. Cracked down on companies that deny sick pay, vacation and health insurance to workers by abusing the employee classification of independent contractor. Such companies also avoid paying Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance taxes for those workers.
    56. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
    57. Limits on lobbyists’ access to the White House
    58. Protected 300,000 education jobs, such as teachers, principals, librarians, and counselors through the Recovery Act that would have otherwise been lost.
    59. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
    60. Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act on February 4, 2009, provides quality health care to 11 million kids – 4 million who were previously uninsured.
    61. Lower drug costs for seniors
    62. Making more loans available to small businesses
    63. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
    64. . Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act, the first piece of comprehensive legislation aimed at improving the lives of Americans living with paralysis
    65. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
    66. Announced creation of a Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record for members of the U.S. Armed Forces to improve quality of medical care.
    67. New federal funding for science and research labs
    68. New funds for school construction
    69. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
    70. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
    71. . Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals.
    72. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
    73. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
    74. Provided tax credit to workers thus cutting taxes for 95% of America’s working families.
    75. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
    76. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
    77. . Helped reverse a downward spiral of the stock market. On January 19, 2009, the last day of President Bush’s presidency, the Dow closed at 8,218.22. In February 2010, the Dow closed at 10,309.24
    78. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
    79. Restarted the nuclear non-proliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
    80. Provided attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles.
    81. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
    82. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
    83. Unveiled a program on Earth Day 2009 to develop the renewable energy projects on the waters of our Outer Continental Shelf that produce electricity from wind, wave, and ocean currents. These regulations will enable, for the first time ever, the nation to tap into our ocean’s vast sustainable resources to generate clean energy in an environmentally sound and safe manner.
    84. Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program
    85. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
    86. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
    87. Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
    88. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
    89. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date.
    90. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
    91. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
    92. The “secret detention” facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
    93. US financial and banking rescue plan
    94. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
    95. . Signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop fraud and wasteful spending in the defense procurement and contracting system.
    96. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
    97. Improved relations with Iran
    98. Improved U.S. policy on climate change
    99. Set timetable for exiting Iraq (already started removing troops)
    100. Improved relations with Russia
    101. Improved relations with the Islamic World
    102. Made progress towards greater cooperation on limiting nuclear proliferation
    103. Economic stimulus plan has created jobs. (Unemployment rate decreasing)
    104. Drastically slowed down the recession
    105. Saved Wall Street
    106. Passed the Lilly Ledbetter Act (equal work for equal pay)107. HEALTHCARE REFORM
    108. Ordered the military operation that killed Osama Bin Laden
    On top of all of this, Barack Obama has just become the first president to endorse gay marriage.
    Yup, here we have just described a man who has clearly done nothing but sit around the oval office and twiddle his thumbs the last four years. Obviously, voting for someone who is for universal equality and bettering not just this country, but the entire world, is the wrong way to go. -___-
     
  6. Patman Bof

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    I ended up with Stein in the survey. Obama came up second but far behind.

    That' s an understatement. Hell, describing Bush as an idiot is exceptionally generous.
    I really wonder which country he had in mind (if any), but it sure ain' t France.

    Oh, and if those quotes in the rape leaflet posted earlier were legit quotes then search no further, now you now why the rest of the world often stereotypes Americans as a bunch of inept buffoons.
     
  7. Alan Smithee Destiny Islands Resident

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    1. That is CNN. CNN is not exactly impartial.
    2. Most of the reader comments on that article are negative, not positive.

    Wait, Tumblr is a credible news source?
     
  8. Amaury Chaser

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    I completely agree with all of these statements.

    For all of those badmouthing Barack, you guys need to realize that it takes a while to get through a recession. I mean, how long did it take for "The Great Depression" to end? I don't personally know, but I'm assuming quite a while.

    In regards to jobs, he has created jobs -- according to my Mom's, who's not really on his side right now because of the economy and thinking he would change it, said it's not enough jobs. However, some jobs are better than none.

    Additionally, just because something comes from CNN, Facebook, Tumblr, etc., doesn't mean it's not true.
     
  9. Alan Smithee Destiny Islands Resident

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    Doesn't mean it is, either.
     
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    Wondering if the source of statistical data is biased or not is a valid objection, however he failed to notice that CNN mentioned its source, namely the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Here' s their website : http://www.bls.gov/

    Slow down, you' re nearing ad populum territory.
     
  11. jafar custom title

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    It is much more impartial than the likes of Fox News and MSNBC.

    And just because the comments are negative doesn't make it untrue. Opinion does not rule over fact.

    Nobody said it was a credible news source, but the caption on the image is true.

    Also, you seem to be ignoring the wealth of information being presented in everyone's arguments.
    If it is factual, then it is true.
     
  12. Styx That's me inside your head.

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    I think Americans are better qualified and better equipped to reply to the rest of your post, but this is something I, as a non-American who reads his papers, can know to be false. The vast majority of European governments are far more content with Obama in the Oval Office than they would have been with Romney (not that they would openly admit it, but you'd be a fool not to notice). We respect you for not choosing the puppet of family values gung-hos and conservative business cats.

    Congratulations for choosing wisely, America. I wish you all the best.
     
  13. Technic☆Kitty Hmm

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    Family Guy- "10 to 1 they're all complete crap."

    It doesn't matter which president we get, they won't be able to magically solve all the economies issues. I think right now the best chance we got of seeing any kind of change, is to stick with Obama. You think anyone else is gonna be able to do something in four years, what 99% of the previous presidents have f***d up over the past many decades?

    So here we go Mr President, another four years. Let's see what kind of change you can make.

    (Honestly i'd rather have Clinton back. They shunned him for being a guy. At least he got the job done.)