Kingdom Hearts II What did Organization XIII do wrong?

Sorry, but this has been bugging me for a while. What infact did The Orgaization do that was so terrible? All they wanted was their hearts back, and Sora (evil serial killer) killed nearly all of them!!

There a a couple of reasons for me thinking this;
1) Xemnas keeping talking about being whole again.
2) Saix pinening for his heart.
3)When Xemnas was talking to DiZ/Ansem he seemed a little frustrated that he wasn't proud that he'd managed to create Kingdom Hearts.
4) Xemnas also mentions building a new world.

If it was me I'd do the same if it meant being whole again. Soz if I've overthought this, but what do you think?
(all Sora fangirls, soz but it's true, I don't hate him i just think he oughta think it through a little bit.)

 

Hmm....maybe.... But.. still.... They were going around and- ... y'know... i don't think i have a good summary reason!!! So i'll answer your stuff in order!!!

1) Maybe.... but i never like Xemnas... so i could care less!! XD (no offense to anyone)
2) Yeah.... But Saix was just kinda almost whining... XD ... and then rubbin it in Sora's face when kingdom hearts was there
3) Hmm.... i never looked at it that way!! ^^
4) He did? i never heard that....

 

I agree with you.I like Sora and All...But all the Organization ever wanted was to get there hearts back.
I mean,some of the Organization members didn't even deserve the punishment.
Demyx and Axel were FORCED to do what they had to do.(Heck,Demyx even needed instructions so you know he was forced to do it)

 

Hmmm... yeah.... i still laugh at the scenes with Demyx and the instruction card!! XD

Poor Axelll..... ;_; ... don't remind me about the stuff he had to do....

 

Axel Risked his life to protect Sora!
Heck...Vexen,Lexeaus,and Zexion didn't really deserve any punishment either.
All THEY wanted was some respect from the other members;Mainly Marluxia,Larxene,and Axel.

 

Yeah, this question has bugged me for a while also.

I recon it was something like Xemnas was going to do something horrible to man kind once he had become whole again. I have no idea.

 

As I've explained in the other thread, Organization XIII is neither good nor evil. They lack the emotion to even have a free will, and simply rely on their own unique methods to gain a heart and emotions. They're "Nobodies", and thus, "nothingness".

 

Hm, lets see.....

-Kidnapped Namine
-Falsely Lured Sora into a castle
-Forced Namine to scramble sora's memories
-Tried to kill Sora and riku and a whole bunch of people
-Killed in order to get what they want.
-Used Sora to try to get Kingdom Hearts.
-Attempted to create a nobody out of Beast. (Animal cruelty?)

So, basicly they are selfish,little girl kinapping, murdering, animal hurters.

Did I miss anything?

 

I think their methods of how they were obtaining hearts was the problem. To the people of the light realm it looks evil, but as nobodies they didn't do it to be evil or anything, since they are unable to even feel such emotions.

 

like i said on anothor thread

their not evil just misunderstood

 

yesh, exactly...

 

Exactly.

Even the game itself states that they aren't evil or "dark". They have no desire to do neither good things nor evil things. They're essentially nonexistent "robots" trying to gain a free will.

 

Well in the begining of KH2 naimine was saying that they were bad or good they just want to be whole but i think it is what they are doing to become whole is what is bad they send out heartless and separtate riku sora, and kairi

 

Of course it's bad, for them that is. It still technically isn't evil. They have no hatred. They have no emotion at all. They all only have a desire to gain the choice of choosing whether they want to be good or evil. And the things they've done to achieve this are simply their own methods, it's nothing personal.

 

Okay, wow, replies all ready! I gonna try and reply bac 2!! Okay

AnimeGirl104-Demyx even needed instructions so you know he was forced to do it- yea LOL demyx is dumb, cute, but dumb.
-Vexen,Lexeaus,and Zexion all THEY wanted was some respect from the other members.- That's my point, both Riku and Sora need to think though before killing.

DiveIntoTheHeart-Saix was just kinda almost whining- I don't think so, he seemed, i dunno, sincere. It's very pitiful.

Ienzo- I recon it was something like Xemnas was going to do something horrible to man kind once he had become whole again- But he wouldn't be Xemnas, he'd go back to being Xehanort the Scientist.

Lunacy Divine-They lack the emotion to even have a free will, and simply rely on their own unique methods to gain a heart and emotions- They do have free will, how else did Axel and Roxas walk out and Namine stand up 2 Marly.

TitanGuy654- -

Kidnapped Namine (Who said they kidnapped her? Didn't they find her like Roxas and the Maly got all pysco)
-Falsely Lured Sora into a castle (That was Marly)
-Forced Namine to scramble sora's memories (Again Marly)
-Tried to kill Sora and riku and a whole bunch of people (They did try to kill him until he killed almost half of them.)
-Killed in order to get what they want. (who did they kill?)
-Used Sora to try to get Kingdom Hearts. (To be WHOLE again! They didn't force him, they were being resourceful)
-Attempted to create a nobody out of Beast. (I can't defend that one, but with Sora about they needed all the help they could get!)​

riniblack-I think their methods of how they were obtaining hearts was the problem.- They weren't hurting anyone

UK and KH1- Kidnapping Kairi- That was Axel after he went renegade, they just took advantage of the situation to keep Sora going with the Heartless.

wow that long, heehee.

 

I've already stated in another thread that the only Nobodies who fully have a free will are the "Special Nobodies", Roxas and Namine; confirmed by Nomura himself. Axel- when in Roxas, Sora, and possibly Namine's presence- also temporarily has a heart and a free will, as confirmed in FM+ by both Axel himself and Xemnas. But those are the only ones. Every other Nobody simply aims to gain a heart for themselves, even Marluxia (he merely used a different method).

 

They messed with the wrong teenager's lmao

 

Ah ha you say that now, but if they didn't heve free will how else did Marluxia and Larxene CHOOSE to take over the Organization!!!​

 

Again, they merely used a different method of reaching the same goal. Why would Xemnas choose to command members of the Organization? Why would the Nobodies after Ansem's former apprentices choose to join? All because of their goal to gain a heart and emotions. Marluxia wanted the same thing Xemnas and every other Nobody wanted; he just wanted to lead the Organization himself and use his own methods of gaining a heart rather than Xemnas' methods. If the Nobodies of Organization XIII had a free will, they would have the choice to not follow a Nobody's instinctive nature to gain a heart and become whole again. They would choose to do other things. They would have the choice of choosing whether they want to be good or evil. Nobodies don't have that choice.

As I stated earlier, the only Nobodies capable of free will are Roxas, Namine, and Axel. That's it.