Birth by Sleep Ven = "The Voice?"

hey dude, welcome to kh-vids. Anyway, I was thinking that it doesnt quite work out with Mickey. One: Mickey, at the beginning of kingdom hearts didnt know where Sora was...if Mickey was speaking to Sora, he would at least know where he was, he described the location and surroundings around Sora (the pedestal, the light, the door, even heartless Sora could not see behind him (play the tutorial of kh if u wanna know what I mean). He also knew when Sora was going to set off on his journey (in two days) again, play the tutorial if u need proof. That makes Mickey sound like a psychic mouse-keyblade weilder...I know Mickey is powerful, but come on... theres no way he would be that strong...he could barely keep up with Xemnas and had to hide from org 13. Sora, -yes I know one at a time- beat the organization members.

Another thought against the Mickey theories: All of the awakenings in kingdom hearts 1 and 2 were in sora's heart. Mickey...be in sora's heart? That doesnt make much sense...

As for the Namine thing. That wasnt Namine herself going into Roxas' heart, sure Namine knew information about the keyblade, but only because of two possible reasons: Kairi learned about the keyblade in kh1 and Namine saw Sora use the keyblade in khCoM. I think it was only Namine's light that helped Roxas, like Kairi and her light helping sora out of the darkness when he became a heartless. Kairi never went in to Sora's heart, she just hugged him and gave him light...kind of like the Tifa and Cloud thing...

I think some form of Terra, Ven and Aqua existed before kingdom hearts 1 even came out. They might not have had the same names, or character drawings (TN hadnt even drawn them until after kh2 came out) but I think he intended for them to exist.

My reasons for Mickey not being the voice are above in the other post I wrote

DiZ/Ansem The Wise definately didnt have direct contact with Sora. Thats why Riku worked with him to find Sora and make him whole again. Otherwise, he could have just contacted Sora through his heart and had Sora as some kind of...desciple...

Xehanort's Heartless might have worked, accept it wouldnt really work because Xehanort's Heartless taunted Sora and said he didnt know anything and was too weak...yet in the awakening, if Xehanort's heartless was speaking to Sora, he kind of complimented sora and reassured him with the "dont be afraid" and "you hold the most powerful weapon of all" and "you will open the door." Xehanort's Heartless underestimated Sora so much, he probably didnt think Sora knew what door even meant...

I dont think it was Xemnas either...Xemnas wasnt that powerful...if that was true, your saying that he went into Sora's heart and guided him, yet he couldnt even find his own heart?

You might be thinking "but why Ven? Hes a new character and we havent seen any relationship at all..."

First of all I could be wrong, lol, but there was this really good theory that Repliku posted on another thread, saying that Ven's heart and Sora's heart might have "merged together" which is why Sora wasnt a heartless in kh2, even though he didnt have part/all of his heart (Roxas existed too, meaning that Sora should have been a heartless). This would also explain why Roxas looks exactly like Ven and has the same voice...in a way, hes a memory of Ven...

your ideas aren't totally off though...they might work...

 

Thanks for the welcome! :)

And good point about Mickey, He's powerful and knows a lot, but you're right, he's not psychic. The voice would have to be connected to Sora's heart.
I'm still not sure it's Ven though. We know he's connected to Sora, but we don't know how. We don't know why or even if he would be in Sora's heart. Nor do we have any sure proof that Roxas is Sora's memory of Ven.

Sora's situation as a heartless was unusual, making for an unusual nobody, whom we all know is Roxas. I'm not even sure where to continue on this train of thought, though, because it would take a lot of in depth looking at heartless and nobodies and what they are and why Sora and Roxas (and Kairi and Namine, though I'm not sure that plays into this conversation) are different than the usual cases. But as for Sora and Ven's hearts being merged together explaining it... I don't think so. Of course, I don't know any more than you do, you could be absolutely right. *shrugs* It'd be easier if we knew more about Ven.

Back to the Namine thing, I don't think she went into Roxas's heart at all. Roxas was in a part of a computer program this whole time, she'd just have to edit the program to get him to the place where he fought the Twillight Thorn and such. And she did hijack the program a number of other times, so it's not that far-fetched. But, and correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Roxas learn about the Keyblade, not through Namine, but through his dreams of Sora? Admittedly, Namine had something to do with it, but so did Axel. Technically, anyone that had access to the computer program Roxas was in could have been the voice he heard. But I won't deny that most of Namine's aide was her light.

All considered, nothing's really certain, but it's fun to speculate.

 

Well, look at it this way. I believe you forgot about all the Ansem reports and the new KH2:FM+ scenes.

First of all, Xehanort was found by Ansem the Wise with a lost memory. So, if Xehanort is related to Terra (or is Terra), then I have all what I need to believe that Ven is the voice. Let me explain with the info we really have.

First, you remember the Xigbar and Zexion talk and the scene where Xemnas calls aquas armor "friend."
In the conversation, the Room of Sleep is mentioned. The Room of Sleep is a chamber that Xemnas made in the underground laboratory. It is artificially made. Xigbar mentiones that it is strange for him to talk with a "friend" (he heard him easdropping (misspelled, I know)) when he is alone in the room. Then, the conversation shifts to the Room of Awakening, which Xigbar points out isnt artificiall and puts out a possibility that his other "friend" is there.

Room of Awakening=Station of Awakening?
other "friend"=Ven?
Ven="Voice"?

 

whoa. never thought about that...that is a good point you've made...no one knows for sure, but lots of people say Xemnas was talking to Aqua, since the armor is blue and the keyblade looks like Aqua's. I've never thought about Ven, although I think it could work out..

And I think Terra is very well related to xemnasxehanort. Lots of people have pointed out that they look the same (same hair-do), Xemnas seems to be in his 30's (Terra looks like hes in his early 20's in BBS, annnd, Terra's eyes go yellow in the BBS trailer, showing that he might have used/uses the power of darkness, since almost every kh villain has had golden eyes.

Ven may or may not work...I guess the main thing I was going off of was that Roxas looked like Ven, but i dont know. It would be easier if we learned more about ven wouldnt it?
I see your point with Roxas and the computer generated world thing though...I think the station of awakening was in his heart though but I cant be sure since
A)Hes a nobody, nobodies dont have hearts
B) He appeared in Namine's room even though he went to the station of awakening from the sandlot...
So you could be right with your ideas.

I still believe its ven though xD

 

King Mickey doesn't really talk like that. And did you see welp or whatever he says in that game at the end of sentances?

 

*laughs* Believe what you wish. For KH, at least, I think it's definately possible that it's Ven. I just hope Nomura will give us some more information soon. This lull feels never-ending.

 

No, you missed my point. Xemnas WAS talking to Aqua (or her armor) in that room or "The room of Sleep."
But Xigbar's theory is that the OTHER friend is in another place called "The room of Awakening" which I presume to be no other than the Station of Awakening. So, if we have Aqua in the room of sleep, then if xehanort/xemnas is anyhow related to Terra (or is Terra), the logical assumption would be that the other friend is Ven and that he is in this "Room of Awakening." It is possible since Xehanort was found by Ansem with a lost memory so he could be anyone.

Watch the Zexion-Xigbar scene from final mix again and read through the first secret ansem report. You'll see where I was getting at.

 

Don't know if this has been answered in the thread yet, didn't bother to read it all...

The voice in the beginning of KH1 during Dive to Heart, the voice when you first get the keyblade on Destiny Island, and the voice at the last door in The End of the World are all confirmed to be Mickey's voice as detailed in Kingdom Hearts Series Ultimania Alpha.

As for the voice in Roxas' Awakening, I think it's pretty safe to say its probably DiZ, as he was running the program...

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble...

 

Sorry but...whats the Kingdom Hearts Series Ultimania Alpha? Mickey had the keyblade for only 10 years and he suddenly figures out how to go into Sora's heart...?

Also DiZ taunted Roxas and called him just a tool...that doesnt make much sense...DiZ helping roxas use his keyblades and then wanting him to merge back with Sora...? DiZ doesnt really consider roxas strong enough to use the keyblade even...

 

I really never knew who the heck that voice was but it helped me so I just followed it's instructions... xD
I suppose it's possible, but I don't believe it.

 

Ultimania's are official guide books in Japan for Square games (published by Square Enix themselves) that are very detailed and safe to trust. It's where Terra's name was discovered before it was ever officially mentioned in conjunction with BBS.

Needless to say, the voice is Mickey in KH1, not opinion, fact.

 

I've always just thought it was the Keyblade...

 

Why not? It could be the Keyblade, I mean if it has the power to choose its master, then he must have some sort of free will, and by having that he may have some kind of "VOICE". Although I´ve also thought that "the voice" could have been Xenohart trying to confuse Sora in some way, or maybe trying to control him.