Birth by Sleep Ven/Roxas Theory

As we all know, Roxas came to exist because of Sora, BUT, the way he came to be isn't normal. Roxas was released when Sora, a being of near ultimate light and a keyblade wielder, sacrificed himself with the Dark Keyblade. With this fact, I've figured that the reason Roxas looks EXACTLY like Ven, is because he is Ven.

I think that Ven was somehow sealed into what we know as the Dark Keyblade, and only when a wielder of Light used the blade would he be released.

 

Roxas was born in Twilight Town which is in the Realm of In Between
The Dark Keyblade was in the Realm of Light (Hollow Bastion to be specific)
So Ven couldn't have been sealed in an item in the REalm of Light and then reborn in the Realm of In Between.
Plus Ven's role takes place ten years before the Dark Keyblade was created.
How would he be sealed in something that isn't created yet.

And I don't think Sora is a "being of near ultimate light" since he's not a Princess of Heart, i think he's just naive and innocent with a strong sense of good and evil
no offense but
your theory sounds like a bad prophecy..

 

This.

BBS Happened 10 years before KH did.

 

But I thought that the dark was just there, like how the other keyblades are "found" by sora, because, as the trailer showed, the keyblades already existed, meaning that at any point, the keyblade could have been pulled from wherever the keyblade graveyard is.

Also, I don't think that where you lose your heart plays a part in where you are created. It's possible that all nobodies, or at least the sentient ones, all go to Twilight Town, similar to the way Humans end up at Traverse town.

I didn't write the theory with that affliction in mind, but when i read it a gain, It does come off that way. I simply meant that maybe his release was determinate on some factor that coincides with Sora.

 

It wasn't "pulled from the keyblade graveyard"
It was made from six of the Princesses's hearts

Traverse Town is where humans end up after their world loses it's heart to the Heartless

Not all Nobodies go to Twilight Town
they can end up anywhere in the Realm of In Between
but the Realm of In Between is wehre all Nobodies are born (between light and darkness, which is why both reject Nobodies)

 

Ahh, it's been a while. I was actually wondering why the princess' hearts were in there as i made the post.

Well, my theory's been shut down. The entire basis of it was around the keyblade graveyard, but apparently that was wrong. I'd assumed that all the nobodies ended up in TT. Aww well, thanks for clearing it up.

 

Well it was somewhat better than my theory

Ven lost his soul in Twilight Town in BBS
not his heart as everyone thinks.
Then when Sora impaled himself with the Dark Keyblade (which i think needs a better name) his heart became a Heartless and his body and soul went to Twilight Town to form a Nobody (Roxas)
But Kairi brought Sora back almost immediately after he became a Heartless so he regained his body. But that interrupted Roxas' "birth" so Sora's soul sparked a Nobody creation using Ven's body as a base.
So Roxas is special because he is the Nobody of Sora but has the body (the main part of a Nobody) of Ven.

 

That's actually a rather good theory. Aren't the unbirth the Souls? If so, then that theory makes a lot of sense. It's as possible as mine, so we'll have to see. And yes, the DK does need a better name.

 

wierd thing is i saw a screenshot with ven in it and there was a shadow and it looked an awful lot like riku as an older guy like in the first game so if this is based in the past if that really is riku how long will this game go?? like if it is riku in it how did all that come together. that screenshot really confused me if this needs to be moved thats alright but can someone clear this up??

 

Unbirths aren't souls
Heartless come from Hearts
and the soul gives life to the body and becomes a Nobody

When he asked to be erased?
The shadow looked like Aqua to me

 

it may have been aqua i havent had a good enough look at aqua to knwo her hair that well but i thought it kinda looked like riku's hair.

hey watch this and wait till abotu a little after a minute with aqua and look at it and tell me who the hair at the bottom looks like before the fire comes up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X0P98qJjNA&feature=related

 

Yeah, it did look kinda like Riku's hair, just a bit spikier. For all we know, it's possible that it's Riku's Father.

I thought:
Heartless : Heart
Nobodies : Body

And the Unbirths are the mind AKA Soul.

 

The hair is Aqua
the Aqua you see is her reflection
she's walking up to the mirror

 

That makes sense, As when the reflection caught on fire, the face showed up in its place.

 

dang how do you know so much about that i had no idea about her walking up to water lol.

 

Uncle???

I don't have a theory as much as a guess.

Maybe Ven is Sora's Uncle, and thats why his nobody looks like him cause the yhave the same ansestor.

 

I don't think so because the keyblade of darkness is only created through the hearts of the princesses.I think that sora had vens heart after it was taken from ven at the crossroads in the battle against xehanort.After Xehanort sends vens heart into kingdom hearts.It resides there for awhile until sora comes in contact with kingdom hearts and vens heart realises who sora was(i think that they were brothers).Sora takes the heart into himself not even knowing it passed into him.Once ven fades, he doesn't truely fadw because his heart still resides in sora.

At the point that the dark keyblade comes in, when sora's heart leaves his body along with kairi's and it creates Xion, resembling kairi's appearance but with sora's memories.Ven's heart was also released.As sora becomes complete a short time after the events he became complete again.As i thought, only one possiblity was there, that the medium roxas would've to survive was ven's heart and through this he came into being.

When roxas goes back with sora i think that something happens, where both hearts collide and it causes vens memories to resurface from his heart and make him remember what he once was before what was left of him faded and everyone forgot him.That is what he meant on the station battle.I would explain what he meant but it would take too long.

I would like to back track onto Xion for a moment.We see her with a kingdom key keyblade in her hands constantly and everyone says that its a fake but i think i know why she has it.Theres a theory that keyblade keychains are made from the memories of the person who wields the keyblade.I think this is true.For one thing, as you go through both games you get a keychain for that world or battle.I think that the keychain is the memory itself and it used o give power to the keyblade.As Xion has deplicate memories to sora, her keyblade takes the form of those memories forming a replica keyblade, the same in every way as a normal keyblade.

If you look at the keyblades seen, you can see the that all the keyblades reflect a a memory of it's wielder.Roxas wield an oathkeeper, which represents his memory of kairi and he wields an oblivion which represents his memory of riku.Riku weilds a road to dawn which represents his long road away from the events of KHI.Mickey wields a keyblade which came from darkness.it represents his memory of his travels through darkness.Kairi's keyblade, i think represents her memories from her childhood.

what do you think?

 

Wrong
Axel said, "Silly, just because you have a NEXT LIFE." not heart
although that cuold mean two things
1. Axel knew Roxas was going to unite with Sora and have a "next life" as a somebody
2. Roxas does have a heart (and Axel knew) and would've have an afterlife
but that seems a little unlikely in Kingdom Hearts

If he has Ven's heart, he would have Ven's memories.
The body reflects the original. To me, Roxas doesn't look that much like Sora. (but that could be matter of opinion)
He was based on Sora's heart so he would have Sora's memories, but since Sora was a HEartless for only a short while, Roxas didn't take his memories (but he started remembering them later on as dreams)

We don't know for sure he can't dual wield at the beginning of Day's.
He can dual weild because Riku and Kairi impacted Sora in a massive way...well massive WAYS. TWO best friends=TWO effects on Sora=TWO important memories=TWO keyblades for Roxas.
Maybe Roxas can't weild the Kingdom Key (except for the digital) maybe Oathkeeper and Oblivion are his REAL weapons and the other keyblades have to do with worlds he visits, in the same way as Sora has a Kingdom Key as his real weapon but it changes with his memories of the world

 

Well I don't think that Roxas is Ven as well

they may look similiar but they are not the same person

Roxas could be Vens reborn, you know?

 

not quite what axel ment by that is that sora still existed as his next life.... he wasnt sure if roxas would reunite with sora,

i think its pretty strange that ven just doesnt exist in a way...
why i think so is because
1) terra is xehanort...
2) aqua was vanquished some how but the organization obtained her armor *xemnas is attached to the armor due to terra being his heartless*
3) were is ven??

For someone to disappear then some one shows up looking just like him is pretty odd... ven is connected to roxas some how...
ven is from TT AND ansem used the TT replica to manipulate roxas
sora cant be vens son
so what is the connection... is sora and ven intertwined somehow??