Birth by Sleep Vanitas' Identity

So while watching the winter trailer I studied the appearance of Vanitas with his black eyebrows and black hair and a thought came to me that it looked quite similar to Xion. I know it sounds crazy but it may be crazy enough to be true.

 

1. As far as I know, Vanitas has not been shown

2. No one can be related to Xion, she's some sort of crazy tranny nobody and is essentially Sora.

 

He was shown recently with a part of his mask off that showed his eye.

 

I thought that was how Xion might have got some of her traits.

 

probably from Sora's memories of Vanitas, but im not so sure.

 

if you mean the black hair possibly. but other than that the other traits xion has are due to kairi and soras memory's of her (as in his memories of kairi). i think it was tlked about in 358 days

also too trizzle. sora was like 5 or 6 and he probably didnt' encounter vanitas. the only people i see sora seeing are tva. but it still is a possibility that van tries to do something to sora to hurt tva

 

sora and kairi's memory of her? You say it as if she existed before.

 

im talking about xion

 

yes i know but how could they have a memory of xion?

 

in 358 days xion is made from soras memories of kairi. i don't belive that xion got her looks from vanitas. that just seems odd to me. but im saying that she may have her black hair because of him but everything else doesn't make sense. she was made up from a memory of kairi which gave xion her own looks to resemble kairi.

thats the clearest i can get it. what don't u get

 

Nomura said that there is a strond connection between BBS and Days. I never really thought what it could be, but yeah this would be it.
I'm not sure if it'll look exactly like Xion though since it would be really weird seeing her head on that masculine body... *shivers*

 

can u gimme a link to when he says that. i don't doubt you but i would like to take a look at it. never new he said they would have a deep connection

 

Well let's think about it. Vanitias is a guy in Birth by Sleep and we assume that he was defeated. He obviously has to share something between Ven/Roxas and Sora. Vexen was around during Birth by Sleep and most likely knew Vantias. If he got defeated, Vexen could of created a puppet that resembled Vanitas, because he has some sort of connection to Sora, but instead the traits were carried out as a girl, which is Xion.

I think that's my theory on this, but it could all be wrong too.

 

i kinda like this new stuff as possibilities. now that ive thought about it i really have only thought about his roles and effects on others and his connection the ven. never really thought of who he is under the mask. i don't belive its xehanort beccause if im right that terra is xehanort then it doesn' tmake sense. but i hve some voice in my head saying "yes xehanort isn't terra, and he is vanitas!" its bugging me lol but its a possibility. to me its either xion's boy form which is possible but doesn't seem likely tbh and xehanort which would ruin terra = xehanort theories everywhere. sigh as much as id hate to say it i think its most likely xehanort but im contradicting my self everywhere.

just found this thread in khinsider rlly relates to this.

And Vanitas Looks Like...
Not a theory, mind you, I'm just calling it as I see it, and I'll leave you to decide whether or not this can be deemed evidence. I was going to hold off and post a bundle of small theories in one thread, but, after discovering this, I believe it merits its own discussion.

So instead of a long explanation, I'll let the pictures speak for me.





Mind you, that's Roxas' left eye, reversed in order to compare to Vanitas' right eye (so we cannot use these pictures as a comparison of hair style). Nevertheless, I think it's safe to say we have a match.

One might argue that this is insignificant, as most eyes in KH are generally the same. And I'd have to disagree with you on that. While eyes do generally look the same for each character in KH, there are subtle differences that place them apart (for example, Terra and Riku have what I like to call "cat eyes."). If you're not convinced, look at other eyes for comparison: http://s98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ade/?start=all

I am fairly sure that Vanitas has Roxas/Sora eyes.

So since we have a match on the eyes, let's see what we've got for hair.
Given that he has Roxas/Sora eyes, it seems fitting to compare to those two (rest assured that I have compared him to other characters, like Riku, and have found no match).

First, Vanitas compared to Roxas/Ven:

As you can see, there are three strands for which we can potentially compare.
The first and lowest strand on the right (near the nose, and just barely visible for Vanitas) seems to be a match.
The second, though, is clearly not. Whereas Roxas/Ven have a strand that extend down to the base of their eye, Vanitas' strand only extends to the tip of his eyebrow.
While there may be a third point of comparison, it's hard to tell. Vanitas' helmet may be covering this potential third strand, given that, on Roxas/Ven, it ends on his eyelash, directly above their pupils (and since we can't see Vanitas' pupil, it may be covered).

Either way, though, it's safe to conclude that while Vanitas may have similar hair to Roxas/Ven, it is not an exact match.

So...





We have a winner.





Vanitas is Sora with black hair and gold eyes.


Though, it appears Vanitas has thicker eyebrows in that shot.
The only thing I can say there is that Sora's eyebrows appear abnormally thin in that shot, and we can see them thicker in other examples, such as here. Hard to gauge whether or not it's a match.​

this is xion DUHHH! lol she actually fits the best.

the next question is who saw this person. it had to be kairi or sora.

 

I personally think that Vanitas is the young Xehanort we all know and love.

Master Xehanort is too boring and obvious, Terra is also obvious and all the Terra=Xehanort clues really feel like red herrings to me (Come on, all the clues that Squenix dropped on us about Xion made us think she was Kairi's second Nobody or something. You really think they're going to make Terra=Xehanort THIS obvious with EVERY trailer they release?).

And dear god, if he looks like Sora with black hair, I'm going to murder Tetsuya Nomura. That would be SO corny beyond belief.
And two strands of hair matching up with Sora's doesn't convince me. Several characters in the Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts universe have bangs like that, and spiky hairstyles.

I notice that a lot of people have said "I thought Vanitas was Xehanort, but now that his hair color's been revealed, I've abandoned that."
Well, why? For a Terra=Xehanort theory? Because Terra's brown hair turning white is somehow less ridiculous than Vanitas's black hair turning white?

And those pictures comparing the eyes styles... I believe that Xehanort, as Ansem the Wise's apprentice, shares that eye style as well.

They're hiding the guy's face for a reason. The only solid reason I can come up with is because he's Xehanort.
And come on, so far Vanitas is the ONLY character we can TRULY tell is absolutely flooded with darkness and power. Master Xehanort is indeed a scheming *******, but I don't get the feeling that he's NEARLY as steeped in darkness as Vanitas. Dialogue in trailers seems to suggest this as well.
Xehanort, the apprentice, was INCREDIBLY interested in darkness of the heart, and reaching the ultimate boundaries of power through darkness, even though he had no memories of his past self, almost like this was his nature. Regardless of whether or not Master Xehanort was evil, if he stole Terra's body (or something similar to that), I don't believe that that's how he would act as a new person.
Vanitas however... I could definitely see subconsciously hungering for darkness, regardless of whether or not he could remember his past.

 

not to forget theres the theory of Vanitas betraying MX running around so that is another comparison

 

i lightly skimmed through what you said. I wanted it to be xehanort (vanitas i mean) because they are said to have an impact on each other. it would make sense with the story. but i do believe that terra is xehanort. and terra is seen fighting van is the kh2 fm secret ending. so for me it can't be xehanort. would you be saying van is the one who becomes ansems apprentice. in ways all of this makes sense because of the later apprentice falling into darkness and becoming xemnas. but if it is xehanort why call aquas armour friend? he was fighting against her. i don't know anymore. the terra = xehanort has a lot of my mind hooked but this has been on my mind too. and that sora with black hair. i agree it would be corny. sora is already in the game. why make a guy that looks like him with just black hair. thats stupid. bbs is 10 years before kh1 and in kh2 all the org 13 looks older. so the black hair could be xehanorts original hair colour and when he finds ansem the wise (sorry other way around) and experiments on hearts further his hair changes colours. all the org 13 look so much older. thats just a thought.

that was actually pretty out there. only 6 days!!!!

 

Im thinking that xehanort is in fact Vanitas, but xemnas? He is something else. Just like how roxas is extremely similar to ven, xemnas is the same with Terra. Then there is Ansem/Xehanort's heartless who i believe is the same where he is the resemblance of MX.

Oh and another clue of the terra resemblane to xemnas theory is that in one of the bbs trailers Terra and Ven are in HB and Terra puts his hand on vens right shoulder as he thanks him. Then in 358/2 days at the dark beach as Xemnas leaves the conversatiojn with roxas he places his hand on roxas' right shouider. They made this seem a bit familiar when they put the cutscene in slowmotion the moment he placed his hand on roxas' shoulder. That just gave me a big idea.

 

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