No Thanks Usergroup changes

I'm leaning towards the new usergroup

The only issue I have with Premium overhaul is that the existing premmys who don't meet the new requirements are going to lose their ranks...

...unless that doesn't happen...

what if EXISTING Premmys can keep their ranks (lets face it, it was hard enough achieving it the first time) and then we do the premium overhaul?
AND THEN If we need to keep up Premmy activity, we do the new usergroup.

At the moment I'm going for the new usergroup, unless my above suggestion is an option, then I'm voting for both :)

 

I think that a combination of both is definitely an option. That is why I put it on the poll.

 

I'm leaning toward the new usergroup option.
I've been here for six years and still havn't made Prem, but it all seems like an interesting idea. It would be nice to have something to strive for beyond trying to be pink like most everyone else seems to be.

However, it also seems like there's a lot of bugs that would need to be worked out first, and I think it could stand a lot more development. It's definately something that probably wouldn't happen until the new year rolls around.


I still support my vote that a new usergroup should be rainbow colored, though. >_>

 

I think a new group is more fair. Why take something away from people, when they worked so hard to achieve it in the first place?

 

Because they did not work so hard, and I would estimate that over half of the people who actively visit are Premiums by now. It isn't classy anymore when everyone has it and everyone can get it within a couple of months of worthless posts.

It is arguably more fair, but I don't like how easy it is to become Premium. Put in at least a little bit more effort, please...

 

Is this special snowflake syndrome? It seems like it.

Look, if someone was to say "Everyone with X attribute gets $100" and you have X attribute, and you've had X attribute for a long time, and you get said $100, then someone else says "What about if we change it to X attribute caused by Y circumstance?" and you don't have X attribute caused by Y circumstance. They take your $100 that you earned, and you're not gonna be too happy about that.

All I'm saying is that things work the way they are, and there shouldn't be any need to change that. Don't overhaul the system. The system works. Just add things.

 

That is correct. Paint it how you will, most members see appeal in Premium because it makes them feel special. If you take away the special-ness, it loses its appeal. Do you disagree that that is how most members see it?

I know that people will not be happy, but I personally feel that there are Premiums who do not deserve it because a lot if not most of the other members actually tried to make good contributions with their posts instead of just looking for a chance at an extra +1 to postcount. Even just adding a rep requirement would make me happier.

The system works in what sense? What goal is it continuing to achieve?

 

I personally still think that it's special. I don't speak for anyone else, though. It's like learning to ride a bike. Everyone can do it, and sure, lots of people can do it way before you, but when you do learn to do it for the first time, you feel so god damn proud of yourself. Perhaps instead of revamping the system, do something similar to what has apparently happened in the RP area, where only posts over a certain length count.It won't stop people spamming for counts, but it will sure as hell lessen it.

People are always going to be like that. They will always look for the easy way to get something done. You've just gotta take the good with the bad.

Well we haven't had anyone complain about it yet, have we?

 

But the thing is that the point of this suggestion is to give people a reason to post after they reach 1,000 as well. I guess it does make more sense to make the new group in that case, but I still think there are Premiums who don't deserve it right now.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't aim for better.

Um, yes, they have. Quite a lot, actually. Adding a rep requirement for example has been a floating around for a long time now, and the fact that an overhaul of Premium has even come up in the other thread shows that there are some complaints. Or rather, suggestions.

 

Well then, shouldn't that be tackled at a different time?

No, it doesn't. You're right.

There used to be a rep requirement for premmy. I think it was 1k posts and 500 rep, back before everyone was repping everyone.

 

I agree. This poll was created in order to separate them because people were comparing the two ideas in the same thread, even in the same post.

I think it was more like one hundred rep. I was thinking something more like 1,500 because that is when you max out rep gems.

 

I'd rather have a premium overhaul personally, because another usergroup colour might push us into the ugly category. It's just too much.

 

That has no bearing on the activity of the site, so it is not exactly a relevant reason.

Which do you think would be better for the activity of the site?

 

Dude, it's one usergroup.

 

That depends on what you mean with activity, if you just mean generally more active or actual good activity with content and stuff. I don't really see there being much a difference in what effect either group has, both will more than likely lead to the former type of activity. Similarly to how KHV of olde used to be. The difference is that there might be more annoyed prems if premium is revamped. Wheras there will probably be more confused newbies if we get a new usergroup. Either way, there doesn't seem to be much difference, which is why I based my vote on what looks more appealing.

And? We're already on the edge of going into ugly territory with our colours.

 

You don't think that adding a new usergroup will inspire premiums to become more active? And do you think that the majority of Premiums are the type to spam to the goal?

 

How confusing does "Premium + more posts = New Usergroup"

Debatable.

 

I don't think it would actually make many old prems come back just because of a new usergroup. But I do believe that the ones who want to achieve the goal would just spam until they do. I mean, there is a reason why a lot of the premium members got the status in a couple of months, but after that they have barely increased in post count. And yes, I do include myself in this. Most people just want the title, after that they stick to the Spam Zone for their posting needs.

 

And yet it does boost activity. I posit that many members would be willing to post in other sections if they could expect responses.

The alternative is no boost in activity because people do not care to post after the goal, as you said. Between something and nothing, why shouldn't we have something?

Oh, and you seem to keep forgetting the rep requirement. It would keep the spamming down. Not to mention that we currently have about as many moderators as we do sections.

 

I think you are overestimating the type of activity we would have. It would be the typical way of post whoring, which is reply to every introduction thread (and goodbaii thread) and reply with a sentence long post in any thread you see. The sentence is naturally barely on topic. You can already see it going on right now, with a couple of post whores (I'm not really accusing anyone though, I did it myself way back when).

I don't know about you, but I'd rather have low activity where people actually reply to threads because they're interested in it. The result is far better content, even if there is less of it. Although, I realise that I am probably alone in my want for quality over quantity in this particular instance.

As long as you make some slightly humerous posts in the spam zone a day (i.e posting a gif or an image), you'll be past the rep requirement in a month or two.