TX lawmakers sue to insert Christian language in funerals for non-Christian soldiers

That's the title of the headline(s), but it should actually be, in my opinion "insert Christian language in funerals for all soldiers" since the current one just makes it seem like they're deliberately picking out Atheist families (which I actually agree on, but for the sake of political 'unbiasness', eh).

Long story short, TX lawmakers, along with certain 'Christian military organizations,' sue the Department of Veteran Affairs (VA) in order to insert Christian ceremonies in military funerals of anyone who's served.

Problem is that the above quote is actually false. The VA leaves the religious ceremony of the funeral up to the family, which I believe is how it should be.


Anyway, read for yourself.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/...nguage-in-funerals-for-non-Christian-soldiers


http://www.alternet.org/world/15214...erals_--_against_families'_wishes?page=entire



or google it.

 

Well, if it's the family's decision, then this really won't go anywhere. They can't blame the VA if they're not the ones that are making the decision

 

The point is that they're trying to change it so it isn't the family's decision and it's automatically a Christian funeral.

 

umm, I just started American Government, but isn't a Democracy meant to be that the people have a say in this kind of thing too? I mean, we really can't be called a democracy if we get forced into a type of funeral we don't want. What if there's someone out there that doesn't want a Christian Funeral? Man, talk about being selfish

 

America's a republic*

But you get forced into things you don't want for most of your life anyway. It's kind of one of those things. But that's the point. They're giving Christian funerals to someone who may not want it (though it'd be kind of hard to ask the deceased "yo, what kind of funeral should we give you?")

 

Well, you can't ask the deceased, but there's still the family. What if they wanted to give him a different funeral? Or what if the deceased person wanted a different funeral? What happened to respecting the dead and letting the family take care of their own family?

 

Wait, they're suing non-Christian people for not using Christian-type language?

The article doesn't seem to be very clear.

 

The church happened? The church has oppressed others while claiming that they were acting against persecution many times. I recall a semi-recent case in which an atheist child did not feel comfortable with the entire school praying around him and asked them not to pray at a ceremony, citing laws against it in his favor, and the school went so far as to insult those dirty atheists before giving a prayer illegally, making him feel even less comfortable than before. Being the only atheist in the school, it was obvious who they were talking about. You have such scenarios in many places across this country, especially in the Bible Belt. Christians get so stuck on the idea that they are being persecuted that they persecute others in the name of fighting it.

I hope that this does not get a passing chance.

 

ok, so getting explained how an AI map doesn't turn my brain to mush, but this does....do I have a problem or something? Because I'm not sure I followed what was just said here

 

You asked what had happened to taking care of yourself and your own. I said that the church had happened, it had interfered, and gave an example of where it had done so before.

 

ah ok....isn't the government partly supposed to keep it that these kinds of things don't happen? Or heck, shouldn't a school, no matter what type of school or who's in it, know not to do those kind of things? This is why I don't involve myself into religion. I find it a pain, you'll find so many people that persecute others just because of their religion, I find it all stupid. If someone is trying to force a Christian funeral, than I say make sure they make a good case, because this is persecution against every other religion out there basically

 

Asking such questions will not help this situation. The results should answer them for you. The question is not what they should have done; it is what should we do about it now?

Should have is such a loaded phrase. Do not act surprised when the institutions around you turn out to be full of the same idiots that grew up in them.

 

This confused me bit, the quote you put lead me to believe they weren't allowing it period, which would be absurd. If the family DOES have the right to pick if it's a Christian or non-Christian funeral then all should be good, what is the goal of this lawsuit? To make every funeral Christian? If so this is ludicrous, I'd want my loved one to get a Christian funeral because that is my belief, but that shouldn't be forced on anyone.

 

No one is pushing for the opposing side; it has not been suggested that all funerals be non-Christian, in the article or otherwise. It is not even a point of debate unless someone else wishes to argue it.

 

The fact that the people and organizations fighting for this have to lie to the public to try to get their way says a great deal about their plight. If this is a debate, it's a debate fought with lies. Governments shouldn't be able to interfere with something as personal as someone's religion or funeral.

This is false, America was founded and people came to America to escape religion. Freedom of religion as it is called.

 

Aren' t the United States a secular republic ? If so this shouln' t have a passing chance indeed.

 

except now with this apparently someone wants to run the church, of sorts. They at least want to run the funerals

 

It is the other way around. The government wanted to run the church because the church was very profitable, and it wielded much power in society. Now the church wants to run the government for many reasons, usually by putting religious practices into law.