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I thought Harry didn' t care about nor understood paradoxes ?

The Sirius thing wouldn' t create a paradox since nothing happened to Sirius anyway, but they can' t know that, I' ll give you that.

However if Dumbledore can send himself a warning I' m sure he can add "P.S. send someone back in time to give you this same message", if he' s not intelligent enough to figure that out by himself that is.

 

Which is why I doubt anyone would give him a time turner

That's another issue. The only way for that to work is for whoever sends the note back to to tell themselves to send the same note back, otherwise there are eternally two of that person. And a person can't directly tell himself anything because seeing yourself (And I'm sure reading a letter from yourself) would make you go insane

 

What if Dumbledore planned out the scenario instead of knowing that it would take place beforehand? A man as smart as him could think ahead without having known that they would be saved beforehand, and without actually changing his own timeline while at it.​

 

Dumbledore can send Rogue back in time to warn past Dumby about the ring and to tell him to send future Rogue back in time later on, same message same time same place same time-travel departure date. If they plan their timing and meeting point carefully Rogue never meets his double. How does that not work ?

 

I have no idea who Rogue is, I'm assuming that's an owl and you're suggesting a letter?
Reading a message from yourself would still make you go insane...in fact even hearing an oral message said to be from "Future you" would probably make you go insane

 

Lol, sorry, Rogue is French for Snape. ^^
Snape doesn' t have to tell Dumby who the message is really from.

 

Yes he does, how else would he tell him that he needs to tell future Snape to go back in time?

 

I am being ignored...​

 

Yeah, I just figured that out, damn that was silly. :stupid:

And god knows you don' t like that !
TBH I don' t really understand that last comment of yours, care to expand a bit ?

 

Okay, here is the rundown.

Dumbledore knows that time travel is possible.

He also knows that someone plans to kill Sirius.

He could plan out a way for Hermione and Harry to save Sirius without going back in time himself, and he can get them to avoid interacting with anyone in that time, including him.

Because his knowledge of the threat and of time travel is not changed by Hermione's going back, he can easily plan a perfect time loop without disrupting his own line of thinking.​

 

In the end his line of thinking was disrupted, it went from "Harry tells me he survived the dementors err ... somehow" to "Harry was saved by his father' s patronus", which is a big enough clue to suggest a time-travel shmilblick occurred, but I don' t think it hurts your argument.

However Dumbledore proved in the fifth book that he could single-handedly Abracadabra his way out of five ministry employees without even interrupting his Daily Prophet reading. Why would he not save Sirius himself then ? If Harry and Hermione managed to save Sirius riding a hyppogriph then surely Dumbledore could have freed him in his sleep. Was it all about Buckbeak then ? Dumbledore didn' t seem phased at all by Buckbeak' s unfortunate fate, but I can' t think of any other motive to choose a time-travel plan. Unless Sirius had already been moved from Hogwarts by that time (can' t remember) ?

Edit : Wait ... were you talking about the third or the fifth book ? In the fifth book if memory serves Dumbledore just cannot predict that Sirius will die, he knows that Sirius wasn' t abducted at all. If Dumbledore had decided to use a time-turner at that moment his goal would have rather been to prevent Harry from going to London.

 

Because it does not make for a good story.

It is the same reason why Frodo does not fly the over Mount Doom.​

The third, of course.

His thought process up to the time of suggesting time travel to Hermione was not affected by Hermione actually going back, because she did not interact with him. Therefore Dumbledore would always conclude that he should suggest it, no matter what happens after he does.​

 

Lol yeah, but come on, "we don' t have a story otherwise" isn' t the best character motivation a writer could come up with. I' m sure you can think of reasons that would make a flying trip to Mount Doom a bad, bad idea.

 

Not really. Flying there is much easier than walking, however you look at it.

There are tons of things that Dumbledore could have done but instead let the kids take care of. The reason could be as simple as giving them experience. Point is, the story needed the characters to do things rather some all-powerful overseeing force.

Also, if he had gone back in time himself, he would have disrupted his own thought process and so it was easier to have the kids do it. Maybe he had other errands to attend to while they were at it.​

 

That' s quicker, sure, but since Gandalf is obssessed about keeping the ring/hobbit hidden he probably thinks that dangling it in the air, exposed to everyone' sight from miles around, wouldn' t be the wisest move ever. Legolas and himself aside the whole fellowship wouldn' t be able to fight mid-air. If Frodo falls it' s game over, and the ennemy has a shitload of flying things (like, say, seven ring-sensing freaking Nazguls). We could also think of many believable plot devices that would have put an abrupt end to a flight attempt and forced them all to resume walking. Conveniently, the eagles had other things in mind at that moment anyway.

I guess so (or, as Aberforth would put it, Dumbledore just loved pulling everyone' strings into doing his own errands).