This is What I Hate About Rep Systems

So I was having an argument with someone, and rather than make an counterargument they just neg repped my posts.
I hate this about rep systems, it encourages a person to not actually explain themselves or give a reason. Positive reps are handy, you can show you agree with someone without wasting a post when you have nothing to add.
But with a neg rep and person can just bump down something they don't like and... that's it, and they can feel like they won, because you can't even reply to it

 

Didja try complaining to the staff? Or are they indifferent?

 

We could implement a rep system which forces you to explain the negative rep. As in "Tell us why or you can't derep this person."

 

The problem is unless all reps are monitored they could just say "Lol no" and be done with it[DOUBLEPOST=1398559688][/DOUBLEPOST]

Can't see anything ever being changed, no

 

Rep systems come with an explination option by default. the problem is people use this to be offensive and explain nothing.
or if youre suggesting a system where staff or whoever review the rep before its submitted, well for one i dont even know if that could be done, but it also goes without saying how ridiculous that would be.

 

Maybe not a review system, but a reporting system. If someone dereps without explanation or with insults, you could report it and they could either have rep taken off their account or get a stern warning or something. Like how we can report inflammatory posts.

 

that leads to other problems like people reporting rep they dont feel was justified, or they simply dont agree with. and its just more work for staff

 

Ok.

 

This was actually what was in place on KHV back in the days on vBulletin when Rep was required for Premium status. It was later debunked due to people 'repwhoring' and going on positive/negative rep streaks, which is why Prem is currently just the 1000 post req.

 

I don't know how big a thing that is in other places, but when we had it here, I don't think there were too many issues like that.

 

Biggest problem about reviewing rep is how do you grade if it's appropriate or not. And one staff member can interrupt things differently to others. Do you then make it a vote, or a first come, first serve thing?

Rep systems feel like such a video game mechanic, +1 and -1, you are now two green gems, twenty more for a third.
They're easily exploitable too, as repwhoring was a thing.

 

I miss my rep ranking

 

I think you mean interpret. :o

 

People can/do react like that in life, if there was a "dislike" button, they would do that instead. Derep, dislike, etc. Did you perhaps consider that they just didn't want to waste their time arguing about something and just derepped you because they thought it was a good time to do so?

The rep system has nothing to do with people "not explaining themselves". People can be quite lazy, I have attempted to type out replies to people before on this forum and in texts etc and many times I have just deleted it all before I sent/posted it. Chances are you wouldn't be complaining about it that much if they just dropped it, but because they dropped it and gave you a tiny red square, it becomes a problem.

Also about the whole "winning" thing, its subjective. If in their minds they think they won, they did. You reacting to it this way only makes them win even more. Don't take this as disrespect or whatever, it's not that. This isn't personal. I am just trying to explain something here. That being said, you care about this a lot. If you didn't you wouldn't have made a thread about it. It might be best for you if you just stop caring about someone "winning" an argument or someone "one upping you" in a forum post. In the grand scheme of things, it only matters if you make it matter. If you choose to not care, then derep is just a tiny red square. Giving something that much emotional weight isn't good for you.

 

Ok, but did you try?

 

Stop caring isn't really a thing a person can just do. Obviously I care, I care about the quality of a debate. I put forward a counter to the person, and rather than respect with with a counter they just derepped it and left it at that. It completely devalues both sides, and I really dislike that. If you can't defend your opinion, then maybe there's something wrong with the opinion. I don't like the idea that a person can feel that their view is right without putting enough thought in to actually give a good reason. At least if I'm wrong, the person has explained why, if my view was the wrong one, an actual reply explaining why would allow my view to grow, instead, I get a generic beg rep that means absolutely nothing, and the person keeps on going, as if it somehow ends the discussion in his favour

Somehow I can't see the entirely of Reddit changing to suit my needs

 

...Somehow this explains a lot

 

You can stop caring about anything if you want to.

Here is the thing though, you aren't entitled to a "quality debate" from anyone who disagrees with you. Some people just feel like they want to end the conversation because they just don't want to continue it. Maybe you were bothering the person, idk. The problem here is, you are ignoring the potential chance that you are "in the wrong". Approach these debates from with a more humble and less emotional standpoint.

 

Nope. Apathy isn't a switch you turn off and on. You can force yourself not to react how you instinctively want to, but that's not ideal, really.
I may not be entitled to a good debate, but that doesn't change the fact that I expect one, ignoring someone is one thing, ignoring and neg repping sends a completely different message. The person doesn't want to continue? Then tell me that, don't give a digital middle finger and just. You apply standards to me, what about the other person? It's rude to ignore someone, but this is a step beyond that, it removes the chance of simple neglect, for one thing. Quality of debates aside, it's just a dick move

 

The fact that you feel entitled is the problem then, I tried to put it as gently as possible before and gave you the benefit of the doubt in my previous posts. You didn't get what you wanted, life sucks. You either learn to live with it, or you make everything harder for yourself. It's your call.