Birth by Sleep Theory that makes sense ( Probably a Spoiler)

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  1. Dreadnought Twilight Town Denizen

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    I have a theory, it says in kh1 that the worlds were originally connected
    together as one world... People loved the light, but they got greedy and
    began to fight over it! Darkness was born in there hearts! They fought
    over it and the light was lost. The world broke into several smaller
    worlds. The light still existed, but in the hearts of children....

    So what if birth by sleep isn't just a keyblade war..... We assume that
    they fight over kingdom hearts, but in the story that Kairie's grandmother
    told her they fght over light. Well its obvious the light was kingdom hearts.
    So maybe Birth by Sleep is the war that broke the world into smaller worlds.
    Now, if this is true there shouldn't be any gummi ships in the game.
    Didn't I read somewhere that they were planning a new concept for
    going to different levels? Now, Birth by Sleep can mean reincarnation!
    What does that mean? A character from the game is reincarnated!
    Ven is reincarated into Sora! Makes sense doesn't it?

    Now! We know from kh2 final mix that Xemnas is waiting for someone
    to awake. We saw Aqua's armor and he talked to it....
    We think that she is his friend! But, there is going to be a kh, taking place
    after kh2! (In the scene after the credits in kh2 they get a letter from the king..)
    There has to be a villain. Do you really think Aqua is that villain?
    I don't. How 'bout Master Xehanort? Xemnas is trying to find out
    where Master Xehanort's rebirth will take place. If thats true
    Xehanort (Ansem's apprentice.) should be the apprentice of
    Master Xehanort! When Ansem found Xehanort he said that
    all he could remember was the name Xehanort.

    What if he regained his memory and tried to find Master Xehanort
    so Master Xehanort could help him get kingdom hearts.
    He would then create a new universe and Master Xehanort
    would be killed by Xehanort (He would take control of kingdom heart's power)
    and rule the new world!

    Now in kh2 when you kill a heartless it turns to dust.
    in kh1 when you kill a heartless you see a heart fly out of it.
    That means that in kh2 Xemnas discovered that he could
    create kingdom hearts without Master Xehanort's help.
    but he still needed him so he could use Master Xehanort's
    keyblade to harvest hearts! So he would use Sora, Riku, Mickey
    and Master Xehanort to harvest hearts!

    So he was interrogating Aqua to find Xehanort. Which makes sense.
    Ansem sealed that area because he knew Xehanort's intentions.
    So where is Xehanort's rebirth place? My guess would be the desert
    they fought on in the secret movie. Why? In kh2 final mix
    you fight Terra! Why would he be there? He is waiting for
    Master Xehanort's rebirth! And Sora defeating him
    in kh2 fm probably made it possible for Master Xehanort
    to arrive without being attacked by Terra.

    Now, I know you've been reading awhile and pobably are bored.
    But just read a little longer. Its almost over! Now the kh
    game where you play as Organization 13. Xemnas found
    Roxas, he probably found him wandering around Hollow
    Bastion. While he was going to see Aqua. He discovered
    Roxas weilded a keyblade too. He made Roxas defeat tons
    of heartless everyday. Now Roxas ran from the Organization
    because he had dreams about Sora. It could have been
    Ansem telling Namine to lure Roxas from the Organization
    so they wouldn't succeed in making kingdom hearts....

    Kingdom Hearts Coded. Who is the people they must
    save? In kh chain of memories Jiminies journal
    is erased. The note had to have been made in
    the journal during Kingdom Hearts 2.
    I'm finished now......
     
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    The One world theory was good, I like that. But when you go onto Reincarnation, I think you are getting off topic. I think the first bit could be right, the second bit, no chance.
     
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    That first part of your theory was good, regaurding the story Kairi's grandmother tells her. At the end of BBS, people noticed that the stone structure looks similar to the tower in Hollow Basion. To support this, after Kairi's grandmother finishes the story, she says "it's the world we live in today" that being Hollow Bastion. So it's possible that tower in Hollow Bastion was built on top of that structure.

    The rest doesn't make all that much sense.

    I would also like to point out that Roxas was found in Twilight Town. Sora was born on Destiny Islands, which is a realm of light. The beach at the end of the game is a realm of darkness, and Twilight Town is nuetral, a world's equivelant of a Nobody. These three worlds are alternate realities to one another, and they are obviously connected. I believe that a Nobody is born on the nuetral version of the world that their somebody was born on. Same goes for Kairi. She was born in Hollow Bastion, and Namine was born in Castle Oblivion.

    Also, hearts do fly out of the heartless in Kingdom Hearts II, it just happens a bit faster.
     
  4. O R A N G E C is the heavenly option

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    Some things make sense, but some don't. How could Sora be the reincarnation of Ven if there is a scene of Sora and Riku playing on the beach?

    I have my own theories, and I don't completely agree with this one.

     
  5. Repliku Chaser

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    Some of what you say in here is really cool and makes a lot of sense. I do see some possible things I'd question though...and I realize I also got lengthy (again) but I'll explain what I mean. Very good theory though.

    Sora cannot be a reincarnation of Ven. Sora was alive and 4 years old when Ven was on the beach with Terra and they were looking to see the children playing. Usually someone has to die before someone is born to be a reincarnation. However, I do think that Ven somehow joined spirits with Sora and that is why he does show up later as Roxas, albeit with no memory. He might have ended up with Sora's and maybe even Ven's memory if Sora had remained a Heartless for a longer time. This also would to me explain why he had memories of Sora only in dreams really. I think some of what Namine was doing to repair Sora's mind might have had 'bleed over' effects on Roxas as well, so that was probably when DiZ realized that Sora had a Nobody and sent Riku to get Roxas. They could not complete Sora's memories without Roxas and so Sora couldn't awaken until that process was done. Roxas being sent out by Xemnas, along with the other Org members, to gather Heartless was a good point to bring up, as that is probably where many of the Hearts came from in the beginning.

    In KH1 and KH2, Emblem Heartless (the ones with the symbols on them) always were hit and hearts float up or are released. These are Heartless that were made by 'Ansem's machine' in the basement of the castle in Hollow Bastion. Xehanort released them and sent them out, scattering them to several worlds when the gig was up on what he was doing and the real Ansem caught him. The Shadows, Neo-Shadows and other 'Pureblood' Heartless as the real Ansem called them, are hit and turn to black smoke, not releasing a Heart that floats upwards. The Pureblood Heartless may be originally the darkness of people that gathered up from years before as the tale goes by Kairi's grandmother. I don't think, the way the grandmother spoke, that BBS is soon enough for the Purebloods to have been created, but I could be wrong. It seemed to be something that happened 'long ago' to divide the worlds up. Then again, the Keyblade Wars deal seemed to look much older than merely 10 years ago too, so that's a mystery.

    I think that Kingdom Hearts was, as you mentioned, the grand Heart of all worlds which were probably at one time one world, as Kairi's grandmother mentioned. The stars seen in the games seemed to be 'worlds' instead of actual stars for some reason too, and as Heartless consumed the worlds, they'd disappear from vision. I am not sure if Xemnas did not create a 'fake' Kingdom Hearts to lure Hearts to in TWTNW but it seemed like it since it was a different color and well...considerably smaller to me at any rate. I do agree though that 'Xehanort' may very well have been the apprentice that was seen in the trailer as things seem to be leading to that more and more and you do bring up some more points leading in that direction. The only other option I see is that Xehanort/Xemnas was Terra and inside Terra was held either the apprentice's or Master Xehanort's Heart which was consumed by Darkness. Right now things do seem to lead to Xehanort/Xemnas having been the apprentice though and the Heartless was possibly either his corrupted Heart or that of Master Xehanort's.
     
  6. Dreadnought Twilight Town Denizen

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    Sorry... I meant that after Ven dies he is reincarnated into Sora...
    But it would be Birth and Sleep could mean death...
    So it could be birth by death.... Because the people who believe
    in reincarnation believe that you don't really die, you just go to sleep
    until you are reborn...

    Oh and to who commented that Master Xehanort was the new enemy and he is coming back... I didn't mean Aqua....
     
  7. Sora_Hero_Of_Light Destiny Islands Resident

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    I agree with some but not all. The reincarnation parts seem odd since they keep talking about the heart and it being different
     
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    The bits about the world still being undivided is a brainwave, but then you go and ruin it with the rest.

    But I think you are a genius, all the same.
     
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