358/2 Days Theory on Xion (spoilers from BBS)

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  1. Mixt The dude that does the thing

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    Alright, there is something that has always annoyed me about Xion but I never had reason to bring it up. It is brought up that Xion looks like Aqua, which is true but considering how practically everyone else that has connections to someone ends up as a look alike
    Xion as Sora or Ven, Ven and Roxas, Sora and Vanitas
    it seemed odd that there was actually as little resemblance as there is. But it just occurred to me a possible reason why.
    Xion's primary form probably isn't just from Sora's memories of Kairi, but also from Ven's memories of Aqua. Afterall, when Xion sapped Roxas she got some of Ven's essence with Sora's, again evidenced by the fact that she was able to take Ven's form.

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    I don't think it holds much importance, but who knows.
     
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    I agree that they do have look alikes but I think it's Kairi looking like Aqua but since Xion is exactly like kairi then she counts as looking like her too. I think xion always took the appearance as ven in xigbar's eyes because everyone saw Xion differently
     
  3. Mixt The dude that does the thing

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    As far as I know Kairi and Aqua don't have a strong enough connection to cause either one of them to alter their appearance at all. And even so Xion is not as similar to Kairi as we would expect with everything else. Like I said, they should be close to identical, but they aren't.

    Xion looks differently to different people, but she has to be seen as something that she absorbed (or in the case of Saix, none of them) She is only seen as Sora once she absorbs quite a bit of him through Roxas.

    My point is, although she has a noticeable similarity, it is not identical like her other forms are. But her form is dependent on who sees her and we play the game as Roxas who has the essence of both Ven and Sora. So I think that the two sides of Roxas came together in a way to bring about the Xion we know.
     
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    Her hair is kind of a cross of Kairi and Aqua and that's the only thing on the top of my head.
     
  5. Sufris Twilight Town Denizen

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    Has it ever occurred to you, mixt, as a possibility that the magic Aqua cast on Kairi could suffice as a strong enough connection? The one she did on Kairi's pendant during Radiant Garden. It still took effect, and technically still is. I just don't see why it would affect Kairi's physical appearance.

    It can't be Aqua = Xion, can it? She'd have to have some effect on Sora for that equation to be valid, right? ...Right? I've always been confused about Xion.

    EDIT: I thought Xion only looked like Ven to Xigbar because Ven was the closest thing Xigbar had to Sora...
     
  6. Mixt The dude that does the thing

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    That seemed far too casual to end up being something that would alter appearence. And looking at the two of them there are no striking similarities to me.

    I don't think it is "Aqua = Xion" since we hit my opening point from the other side. And IIRC Roxas is pretty blunt at one point that she looks like Kairi.

    Well his connection to Ven was hands-down stronger than any other aspect of Sora's life.

    Come to think of it the only members to see Xion after seeing Sora would be Xemnas and Axel. Xemnas from the KH1:FM battle and Axel once he returned from CO. Xemnas ended up being the first to see Xion as Sora. I wonder what Axel saw.
     
  7. Sufris Twilight Town Denizen

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    Psst. What does IIRC mean? o.o

    Woudn't it be funny if Xemnas saw Aqua?

    Didn't Axel see Roxas? ...Or...Ven? It was somewhere in his diary (pff...) entry, that at some point, Xion's image flickered and transformed to Roxas'. Then, when Xion attacked Xigbar, he must have seen Sora for him to go "huh?!" or something.

    Wait...when did Xion start sapping from Roxas...?
     
  8. Mixt The dude that does the thing

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    If I Remember Correctly

    I actually forgot about the secret reports. After feeling kind of stupid I looked it up and Axel saw Xion as Namine. I didn't see anything about the flicker of Roxas though. Granted I only skimed.

    Since her creation. The point was for her to become Sora, and Roxas holds half of who Sora is. But the process seems to have messed with Ven some too.
     
  9. Sufris Twilight Town Denizen

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    He said it somewhere. When Roxas was getting weaker, Axel wrote something like Xion was sapping so much from Roxas, and to prove his point, she became Roxas whenever she fought.

    I always thought she was created from Sora's memories, then half way through the game, she started sapping. Not, she was created to sap from Roxas with a few picked up memories from Sora to set her "base" existence.
     
  10. Mixt The dude that does the thing

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    I found it. It was written by Xemnas, not Axel.

    I actually haven't read these since playing BBS. I had assumed he meant Sora which is why I said so above. And there is still a distinct possibility of that, but I'm not so sure anymore. Especially considering Xigbar's lines the next day.

    We know that when Xigbar refers to 'him' he is speaking of Ven and Xigbar is known since KH2:FM to have extra insight based on being one of the few people involved in BBS that has clear memories of it and is in a position to talk. And he seems to be able to see into Xemnas a bit more than everyone else. But I'm not sure what Xigbar was referring to. If it is going back to BBS but isn't Ven I can only think of Vanitus as another possibility, but that is a real stretch.
     
  11. Sufris Twilight Town Denizen

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    Really? Kind of hard to tell...

    I'm afraid I don't know what you mean there, but I'm pretty sure it's Ventus. Vanitas has no face.
     
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    While those pictures of Xion and Aqua do bear somewhat of a resembalance, I don't think Aqua's the reason why Xion looks like that. When I first saw an image of Xion, my automatic thought was that she looked just like Kairi when she was fourteen. As for the black hair, that could have something to do with Vanitas, since Sora is connected to him as well.
     
  13. Mixt The dude that does the thing

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    The Ultimania gives the authors for each one. You can look at the Kingdom Hearts wiki to see it with authors.

    I'm afraid I don't know what you mean there, but I'm pretty sure it's Ventus. Vanitas has no face.[/QUOTE]

    Xigbar seems to think that to Xemnas there is more to Xion than what the others think, and then mentions seeing Ven himself but suspects that Xemnas sees something else. However Xemnas says "she sometimes appears to take on his form to my eyes" but who's form he doesn't say. So from Xigbar's standpoint most people who look into see Xion becoming Sora, he sees Xion as Ven himself, and suspects that Xemnas sees something else. There are only so many people that you can copy through Sora and Roxas.

    And Vanitas does have a face, it is simply hidden by a mask most of the time. (and by most of the time, I mean that there is only one part in the entire game that we see him without it)
     
  14. Sufris Twilight Town Denizen

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    Ah...that explains it. Ultimania. I should read that.

    No. The reason he looks like Sora is because he's seen that way by Ven. He's kind of like Xion all over again.

    Or at least, that's what I heard. With my horrible streak, I'm not sure if the ideas I got are right or wrong. xD
     
  15. Saxima [screams geometrically]

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    No, you're right. The reason why Vanitas looks like that is because of
    Sora's heart connecting with Ven's at the beginning of the game.
    If it were anyone else that had connected with Ven, then Vanitas would have taken on a different look.
     
  16. Mixt The dude that does the thing

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    It is hard to tell because we don't know much about this, but I thought that after that happened his face was set. Once Vanitas ended up with the face he did, it became his permanent face. Unlike Xion who can change constantly based on the viewer and her current state. However like I said to begin with, we don't know much here. We see Vanitas' face once and are not given any in game explanation and only a little out of game explanation.

    However if it is your guesses that are right on this it does carry some interesting implications. Xion might not have those odd properties because of being a replica, but rather for being a replica of Vanitas.

    At this point I really need to add a grain of salt though. Now we are getting into theories based on theories, which I'm somewhat okay with discussing so long as others don't take this too seriously. After all this is only educated guess work.
     
  17. Sufris Twilight Town Denizen

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    Just saying. It's from the Kingdom Hearts Wiki.

    How is she a replica of Vanitas, if Vanitas was created from Ventus and Xion from Sora...'s memories? I mean, what you have in mind.
     
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    Nomura's character designs sometimes do resemble each other. Sora's hair kinda looks like Cloud's and then there's Reno and Axel, Terra and Zack. It's probably a coincidence since Nomura isn't really being too broad with KH designs.

    Like, how almost every character has clear eyes. Kairi and Xion looking alike is no coincidence; Aqua and Xion? It's most likely just a coincidence.
     
  19. Saxima [screams geometrically]

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    Then it probably is. Honestly, the whole Aqua-and-Xion-are-connected, I wouldn't look too much into it anyway, the only person that Aqua is connected to is Kairi, and that's because she performed the passing of the Keyblade on her by accident. In order for her to have been connected to Xion, she would have to be somehow connected to Sora, and I don't think she is in anyway.
     
  20. Mixt The dude that does the thing

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    Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was aware of that. What I'm saying is that we only see Vanitus from one person's perspective at one point in time. Because of that we don't know that if his addoption of Sora's features is permanent and universal, or if it can shift around like Xion's.

    I checked and I can't find a single point where Xemnas mentions Sora directly when talking about Xion, he keeps using terms like "Hero of the Keyblade" this could be Xemnas being poetic, or it could be a double meaning. And after Xigbar's clue that Xemnas might see something more to Xion, I can't shake the feeling that it's not Sora that Xion was made to replicate. But Xigbar says very directly that it seems Xemnas doesn't see Ven either. From there Vanitas seems the next most likely. Furthermore, whether Vanitas' appearance is fixed or not, he is the only character we know of that adopted a form after his creation. Even the other replicas have fixed forms. So it would make sense that a replica such a vague form comes from somebody that did also.


    And just to reiterate this is all theoretical. If I go much deeper into speculation I'm going to need a snorkel.

    Sora or Ven. And her bond to Ven is admittedly weaker than Sora and Kairi, but still very present.