Kingdom Hearts Theory on Ansem

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  1. diamonddeath Merlin's Housekeeper

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    I was wondering if anyone else noticed this, but me. You know that hearltess that is always around Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless)? My theory explains what the heck that thing is as well as why Ansem needeed to possess Riku in the first place. Well, for one, why are there no human like heartless like the Organization nobodies? Well, it was explained that the members of Organization XIII looked human because of their strong will. Therefore, Roxas was formed because of Sora's strong will when he turned into a Heartless. So, how come Sora's heartless did not look human and was just a Shadow? Well, because Hearltess cannot take the form of a human, not even Ansem. The heartless on the shoulder of the Ansem we see in throughout the series is the real Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless), and the reason he needed to possess Riku was to obtain a human form. Without Riku, or any host, Ansem was just a mediocre-sized, bandaged Heartless. Malificent's "Other" plan throughout the first game was to implant this Heartless into a host, in which she successfully implanted him into Riku, transforming him into the form of Ansem that we see. This is further proven when Riku later on transforms into Ansem on his own as his most powerful form on darkness. It is the complete version of weilding the remains of Ansem in his Heart- the small Heartless looking one.

    Then you're probably wondering why Riku got to fight him in Chain of Memories? I was wondering the same thing too after I made this theory, but then I realized that it was not the same Ansem. DiZ "created" that Ansem out of what littl darkness remained in Riku's heart. Therefore, the Ansem in Kingdom Hearts is the Heartless on Riku's shoulder in his human/Heartless form, the Ansem in Chain of Memories is what remains of the darkness in Riku's heart, and the Ansem in Kingdom Heart's 2 is Riku weilding that darkness to transform into a human/Heartless form.

    Basically, Ansem is not a humanoid Heartless, but, rather, he is that Heartless that sits upon the shoulder of what he thought Ansem was. The only thing that can prove this wrong is the question of why Ansem was a humanoid when he appeared before Sora in the beginning of the first game. Well, the only way to get around that is the fact that we didn't SEE Ansem, but just the cloak. But then who was talking? Maybe he was not "Talking" but instead sending a telekinietic message to him. After all, he is known to possess people's minds. Does anyone disagree with that?
     
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    Hmm...that's a little confusing, but I think I have the idea.

    It's an interesting idea, too. I always wondered why that thing was always with him.

    I'm interested in fiding out what other people think...
     
  3. Mixt The dude that does the thing

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    The only thing I'm seeing wrong with what you said is that maleficent's "other plan" was the master keyhole in Hollow Bastion. But to support your theory, when you see Riku and Ansem talking towards the end of the game he is again cloaked. and when Riku resists and seperates from Ansem to let everyone run, Ansem just stands there like he's paralyzed.
     
  4. Invader Jack Twilight Town Denizen

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    Wow, that's really something! Nice theory!
     
  5. diamonddeath Merlin's Housekeeper

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    According to my theory, the reason Ansem is there is because of the same reason Yami Yugi appears before Yugi in the series, Yu-Gi-Oh! He's not really there in a physical form, but rather his spirit is being seen there through Riku's eyes, since Ansem is inside Riku. This means that the others could not see the human form of Ansem that Riku was supposedly blocking.

    As for the Master Keyhole, what exactly was that plan, anyway? How is the Master Keyhole any different than the other Keyholes? Also, Was Ansem's final form a fusion of various powerful Heartless like Naraku from Inu-Yasha is a fusion of various demons?

    Also, this may seem like a random question, but what were the Heartless doing in The World that Never Was? I thought that that was the Nobodies' world, which was a Nobody version of the Heartless world, End of the World.

    While I'm at it, why was there a second keyhole in each world in Kingdom Hearts 2? I don't understand the whole deal with the objects that caused Sora to lock or unlock something in that world.
     
  6. hawki92 Traverse Town Homebody

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    he was opening up the gummi routes
     
  7. diamonddeath Merlin's Housekeeper

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    But then what was the point of things hidden in objects in order to unlock the routes? Also, if a Gummi Route is open, then can Heartless overcome that world through that route?
     
  8. Ninja Sheikah Destiny Islands Resident

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    Personally I think that Ansem Seeker of Darkness is trapped in the realm of darkness, attached to that...ship...like...thing. Therefore he needs a way to be in the real world. So he uses some of his power to channel the cloaked version of him until he finds a host. The host body needs the power of darkness so Ansem can sustain himself in the real world.
     
  9. ZakuraRabbit Gummi Ship Junkie

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    I think you've got a point here.
    According to the Secret Ansem Reports nobodies are born from the bodies left behind by the heartless, so Xemnas had that body. (Don't ask me what the heck the point with Sora and Roxas is at that thoughXD)

    Xehanorts hearltess is never seen without the cloak before he fuses with Riku and later on he appears in front of Riku as he's still hiding in his heart.
     
  10. Ninja Sheikah Destiny Islands Resident

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    But Xehanort's Heartless retains his memories(or of what he had learned from his own research up to that point). Were as Xemnas seems to have lost some of his.
    I found this somewhat weird though, Saix says the organization remembers what their hearts feel like, but when Sora asks Xemnas if he remembers, Xemnas says he doesn't.
     
  11. La Sofa ('_')-l3 No worries

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    Man you really figured this stuff out. :sleepy:
     
  12. Viroxor Traverse Town Homebody

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    Maybe Xehanort had a stronger heart than Sora. It seems ridiculous, but we don't know if it's possible or not, especially with all these "Terra is Xehanort" theories flying around. Besides, your theory leaves one hole: in FM+, it was shown that when Riku first assumed Ansem's form, he had the supposed actual Xehanort's Heartless with him, and he commanded it to attack and subdue Roxas, which it did. If the guardian thing was actually Xehanort's Heartless, why would it listen to Riku, who had twice been responsible for it's own destruction?
     
  13. xekushi Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Heres my theory.
    Xehanorts heartless (aka Ansem) is the really heartless and is only in human form cause he is far more powerful then Sora. The thing on Ansems back is the darkness itself. If you've noticed, Ansem says "Wing Guardian" before it attacks. I think this is the darkness the Ansem commands. Its so powerful that it takes on a living form and does Ansems bidding.

    There are human like nobodies cause they are actually bodies and souls, so they were human forms to begin with. The lower nobodies seem to be twisted and deformed.

    Ansem took control of Riku to gain his power for the keyblade and cause at this time i belive he was weak. Ansem was a mear lifeforce like Voldermort from Harry Potter. So basiclly he was a leeche till he could regain his strength.

    When Riku takes on Ansem form, it was to gain the powers of the Ansems darkness aka the Wing Guardian which only Ansem can use.

    DiZ i belive was really in CoM. He was teaching Riku to use darkness as he does so that Riku can be more powerful and Diz would then use Riku as he did in KH2.

    And lastly, the cloaked Ansem at the start of KH2 was Ansem in a weak and pathetic state like in my Harry Potter idea.

    Sorry to apose your idea but I came up with it as i read yours.
     
  14. diamonddeath Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Ansem was not in the beginning of Kingdom Hearts 2. That was Riku in his Ansem-looking form. Remember when Riku said that he couldn't change back in the end of the game?

    As for why that dark creature is shown behind Riku in KH2FM+, I believe that it is the corpse of the real ansem that Riku can now control. How else would he be able to turn into the Ansem-looking form? As far as I'm concerned, being possessed by Ansem has given Riku some sweet transformations- Dark Riku (which we first see in the end of Kingdom Hearts, but we also see Riku use in KH:COM), and then Ansem Riku (an assension of Dark Riku where Riku fully weilds Ansem's corpse). Afterall, without Ansem's shadowy corpse in Riku's heart, Riku cannot take on such a form. It is like Naruto's bijuu, the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox. Since it is inside him, he can continue to transend his forms until he looks perfectly like the creature within him. This means that he may one day transform into the ultimate ship-like Ansem, but I don't know if there is enough darkness within his heart to do that.

    An alternate theory around this is that Ansem kept his memories because of a third creature. The heart is the Heartless, the Body and Soul is the Nobody, and the mind should be another creature. Perhaps after splitting into three, Ansem fused with that mindless thing, which leads me to believe that it must have escaped before Ansem's death in Kingdom Hearts, and is now the villain in the third installment. Hasn't anybody noticed the resemblance between that old looking guy in the trailer and Ansem? Similar clothes, similar skin color, similar eyes, similar hair color, etc. Now what appearace would a Mindless take? Most likely an older and wiser version of the human form, unless there is another reason for it looking human. Anyway, what is a Kingdom Hearts game without the main villain having a connection to Xehanort?
     
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