Birth by Sleep *Theory, maybe Spoiler* Who's Xehanort?

Its obvious the Xehanort from Kingdom Hearts 2 is not the Xehanort from Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep.

Xehanort is apperantly the bad guy in Birth by sleep. Many people, myself included, initially assumed that Xehanorts apprentice was in fact the Xehanort of Kingdom Hearts 2.

Wrong.

Xehanort from KH2 is Terra. They made it obvious in the first teaser trailer. When Terra see's Vez thrown off the cliff by Xehanort, he becomes enraged and his eyes change from blue to a fiery orange. The same fiery orange as Xehanort from KH2, and "Ansem" from KH1.

I dont think square actually meant to hide this fact either since they did give Terra and KH2 Xehanort the same haircut.


MORE EVIDENCE:

"One legend said the keyblade master saved the world, wheras another said he wrought ruin and chaos upon it"

Evidently, a keyblade master started off as a hero, then became a villian.

If, Terra saved the world from Xehanort, he would have saved the world he would be a hero. But if Xehanort's spirit took over his body, in the same way his spirit took over Riku's body in KH1, He would be a villian. He seems to have a preference for chosen keyblade masters.

EVEN MORE EVIDENCE:

The Enigmatic Soldier scene.

This is, without a doubt,Terra. But Terra seems a little disoriented. He accuses Sora, of being Xehanort. And whats more, he hesitates, and studders when saying Xehanort.

He probably accuses Sora because he recognized it wasnt Riku. But I'm pretty sure at this point he knew what Xehanort looked like, and probably knew Xehanort had the power to take over someone else's body.

Also, why would he studder to say Xehanorts name. I believe it might be because his mind is being currupted by Xehanort.

 

Maybe he studdered to say Xehanort because he was reading a script and he was all like, "What's this word?" Just kidding.

No, I agree. This is more or less what I've been thinking. Xehanort must just be a spirit who lives forever by possessing one person after another, and obviously, needs a new host by the looks of it.

But why do Ven and Aqua look like Sora/Roxas and Kairi/Namine!? And in my opinion, Terra looks like Riku. Why!?

 

That is alot of good evidence but I can't believe you until the games comes out.

 

LOL! I could totally picture this highly dramatic scene being haulted by Terra suddenly turning to the side and yelling "LINE!"

Ok, to the question you asked:

I believe that Vez Terra and Aqua may have put thier hearts into Sora, Riku, and Kairi, the same way Kairi put her heart into Sora in KH1.

I believe this because Roxas and Namine arnt normal nobodies. Unlike all other nobodies which fake emotions, and aperantly have the ability to turn them on and off at will, Roxas, and Namine seem to be slaves to thier emotions, and have hearts, even though nobodies dont have hearts.

Also, Ansem the Wise said he fully understood nobodies, until he saw Roxas, and Namine.

This maybe because they are not normal Nobodies or but are infact the unlocked hearts of Aqua and Vez.



There is even another hint. Why was Roxas leaving the organization before he was attacked by the Heartless and Riku?

I believe the "Deep Dive" video sheds light on it. It sais "Everything is coming back to me, the true..." I believe Roxas had a revalation, and thats why he decided to leave the organization prior to being attacked by the heartless and Riku.

I doubt he was reffering to "...the true memories of Sora."

Otherwise he wouldnt have engaged Riku, knowing Riku was his friend.

I believe it was "...the true memories of Vez."

Tell me what you think.

 

Yes. It all works out so perfectly. I'm sure we're close if anything. So, here's what we got so far.

Terra, Ven, and Aqua fight Master Xehanort and his apprentice.
Terra gets taken over by Master Xehanort and becomes Xehanort.
Ven and Aqua's hearts some how end up Sora and Kairi's.
Roxas and Namine are special Nobodies because of Ven and Aqua.

Still, where does that leave Riku and Master Xehanort's apprentice?

And how come I'm reading both "Vez" and "Ven"?

 

I think your right about Roxas, it seems he has Ven's memories. Remember when Roxas said "Why...why did he choose you?!" to Sora. Apparently Roxas was talking about Terra choosing the keyblade wielder. If he was referring to Terra's choice, I can't see why he wouldn't know who Terra really chose (Riku).

Maybe Ven wasn't there when Terra choose the keyblade wielder or maybe Roxas thought Terra changed his mind because Sora had the keyblade.

Also, outside of 358/2 days I don't think Roxas is going to appear in any sequel of KH as a playable character. Nomura probably created a connection between Ven and Roxas so he could continue using Roxas's character or somebody who looks and plays similar to Roxas (Ven).

 

He could have the revelation prior to the end of 358/2 days.

This might be why he left the Org.

Also, notice in the Roxas vs. Riku video. Roxas seems annoyed when Riku called him Sora. He said "I'm not Sora, I'm me! Why do you keep calling me that?"

He evidently knew the name of his Other was Sora at this point. Remember the renaming scene, which happened prior.

I dont think "me" was reffering to Roxas, but it was reffering to Ven.


Also to expand on the link of my theory even more. In the now mythical and mysterious sleep chamber, Xenmas see's the armour of one of the Keyblade masters, and addresses it as "Old Friend." Do you think it was Ven, or Agua, or Terra whom he was reffering to, or someone else.

 

Ven and Roxas look exactly the same, but then why do Aqua and Namine look different? I guess the way Sora and Kairi produced Nobodies were special, but I dunno. We already know Sora can carry other's hearts with him.

Also, I was watching some old KH1 cutscenes recently. Ansem says "I know all there is to know." I think that's more evidence that he is just a spirit that travels from host to host.

 

I think the one Xemnas was reffering to was Aqua. If Xehanort and Terra share the same body then the one he was reffering to was probably either Ven or Aqua. Also, Aqua's armor was the one in front of him, so it most likely Aqua he was referring to.

I wonder how complete Xemnas memory is...Xenmas said a couple of things that stood out.

Xenmas: Hearts quivering with hatred...

Xenmas: Hearts burning with rage...

Xenmas: Hearts scarred by envy... That fool Ansem said the heart's true nature
was beyond his understanding. But it's not beyond mine! Hearts are the source
of all power!"


Then after his defeat by Sora, Xemnas said:

Xenmas: I need...more rage.. I need more...hearts...

Sora: Xemnas. There's more to a heart than just anger or hate. It's full of all
kinds of feelings. Don't you remember?

Xenmas: Unfortunately...I don't.


Why is it that the only emotion Xemnas remembers is hatred? I believe this is because hatred was the strongest emotion Terra had before he lost his memories. Terra had a strong hatred of Master Xenahort.

 

]***BIG TIME SPOILERS TO MOST FINAL FANTASY GAMES***

Or it may be possible that the TRUE Xehanort (baldy) is actually not a person, but a entity of hate and distruction which takes over bodies.

This is quite the common plot in the Final Fantasy series.

In FF1 that dark knight gets take over by spirit called "Chaos"

In FF3 that wizard dude gets taken over by "The Cloud of Darkness"

In FF4 Zemus gets taken over by a spirit called "Zerumos"

In FF5 X-Death gets take over by the Void and becomes "Mega X-Death"

In FF6 Kefka gets taken over by the essence of the satues, but keeps him name.

In FF7 Sephiroth gets taken over by Genova and becomes "Safer Sephiroth"

In FF Tactics the Zodiac Knights were actually summoned monsters who were being controlled by "Altima"

In FF9 that other monkey dude gets taken over by a spirit called "The Void" (same as in FF5)

In each of thease climaxes, the last boss usually paraphrases this line "I am Chaos, I am Hate, I have been around since the begining of time, and I will destroy the universe!"

No kidding. In eacho of the endings they always say that line. Perhaps Xehanort is the same spirit.

I believe in FF9 and FF5 they even say, "The universe began with darkness, and it shall end in darkness!" Does that sound familiar????

 

That is one of the most flawless theories i've seen here.You're just like me studying kingdom hearts in depth.

 

Also there is more to show that Xehanort takes over Terra's body. If you look at Xemnas and his lesser nobodies they use a kind of cube magic in battle, though they only use it to form shields. Terra also uses this kind of magic style to summon his keyblade and to use other kinds of attacks

 

I don't think that Terra is Xehanort. As we've seen so far in FF, silver is apparently just an average hair color, not something that comes with age or stress, so I can't see Terra's hair color randomly changing from dark brown to silver-white. Also, Xehanort's face shape and skin color do not exactly match up to Terra's. And, Terra's hair is actually a lot closer to Xemnas' than it is to Xehanort's. Leaving the only physical evidence to be his eye color, which could mean that he is going to the dark, or it could mean that he's going into a berserker mode of some sort. After all, look at Saix. His eyes go all yellow and his scar gets wider. It's possible.

As for the opposing legends of the Keyblade Master, why do you assume both legends are talking about the same person? Its obvious that there are at least five, and that three seem to be working for good ("saved the world") and the other two for evil ("wrought ruin and chaos"). I think that legend was just forshadowing for this game, telling how some "ancient" Keybearers were good and some were evil.

As for the Lingering Spirit, I have a whole theory set for that. We learned that Riku was originally the chosen bearer of the Kingdom Key, but the Keyblade chose Sora after Riku was tempted by the Heartless on Destiny Islands. In the Sunset Horizons trailer, we see Terra pick up the Kingdom Key. Therefore, it is plausible that Terra chose Riku as his successor (not surprising, as they appear to have some similiar qualities). Riku then later became possessed by a man named Xehanort and used the Keyblade for evil. So, when Terra saw the bearer of the Kingdom Key, he assumed that it was Riku, who he had chosen, and who was possessed by Xehanort. This explains why he confuses Sora for Xehanort and says "You aren't the one I chose."

As for him stuttering, he seems to not be entirely there, and seems not to remember much. He may have been stuck on that world alone for the past ten years and just have lost his mind. The only things he remembers are his friends, Ven and Aqua, and his hatred for Master Xehanort, and his passing on of the Keyblade to the one who became possessed by Xehanort's Heartless.

 

Theories

You all seem very right.
My conclusion is that Sora is the Heartless of Ven, Roxas is the Nobody of Ven, and Xemnas has seen Ven recently (possibly in the room of sleep), because in the beginning of KH2 he's talking to Roxas and says:
"I've been to see him"
"He looks a lot like you" (meaning he looks a lot like Ven, because he does)
Then I believe that Roxas has had his revelation before this point, because I think he is expecting Terra, but sees that it isn't Terra, but his Nobody, because he says:
"Who are you?"
Then, Xemnas relizing that Roxas is expecting Terra, he explains his relation to Terra:
"I'm whats left, or maybe I'm all there ever was..."
Then Roxas is confused by the;"Maybe I'm all there ever was, and says:
"I meant your name..."
Then Xemnas says that his name is of no importance, possibly because he has had a similiar revelation to Roxas, and knows that he will soon be destroyed, and become whole again.
Then the conversation takes a turn when Xemnas asks:
"What about you, do you remember your true name?"
Here, Xemnas knows is true name is Terra, but wants to make sure that Roxas knows his own as well.
Then Roxas follows with:
"My true name is....."
And there it stops.
The rest of their conversation will probably be revealed in 358/2 days.
But What Roxas says next is most likely:
"My true name is...Ven."
"Everything is coming back to me, the true memories of Ven"(reffering to his revelation...

 

Well... Xenmas did talk to Aqua's armor as a friend...

 

Sorry, it's obvious that Xemnas was talking about Sora. As you may recall, as soon as Roxas says "My true name is...." It cuts to memories and Kairi says "Sora." Xemnas asked him what his Somebody's name was.
However, your 'Sora is Ven's heartless and Roxas is his Nobody' theory has some meat to it. I saw an image with Ven unmoving on the ground in front of Baldy with Terra yelling "What did you do to him?" I thought, "Hmmm, maybe he took his heart..." and then I remembered how Kairi was an unmoving shell after her heart was removed as she had no Darkness. So perhaps Ven is the same as Kairi - some sort of Prince of Heart? In fact, it connects to a theory i read of Ven being connected to authority or mastership by the hawk elements of his helmet. It's possible that Ven IS a Prince, with Aqua and Terra as either bodyguards or close friends. I guess it'll get scandelous when Aqua and Ven get together in BBS, rawr :3
But anyway, perhaps then Sora is Ven's Shadow and Nobody, like Namine was Kairi's. This can be validated by a scan image of Ven standing on the beach looking towards Destiny Isle with the shadow of presumably Aqua. He may have learned of the existance of Sora and gone to check him. This may tie in with Terra watching Sora and Riku dueling. Perhaps Sora was created as a little boy like Namine was as a little girl? And it is possible, because Namine felt emotions like guilt and happiness, so Sora could have acutally developed into a real person because of his friends on the Island. Some evidence is in two of the Final Mix+ scenes. In one of the Org meetings (after Axel's death) Xemnas talks about Axel 'Awakening'. Possibly connected to Birth By Sleep, Axel found at least one true friend during his 'Sleep' and 'Awakened' with a new heart. This can be further validated in Rememberence, where Axel realizes Roxas has a heart, wether developed through 'Sleep' or left over from Ven/Sora, but when Axel finally says goodbye to Roxas, he cries. In death his 'Sleep' was over.

Wow, did I actually write that 'Birth By Sleep' theory with my brain or was I possessed by a higher power? I swear it felt like the latter o_O. Plus, it made me feel tingly and emotional just like the cutscene in Kh1 after Riku 2, so that's a good sign.

 

This is like a theory I posted, I agree I seriously think that the Terra in KHII was just a nobody made of the body being possesed by another heart (which made Namine). Terra's memory is distorted at best in his nobody form and even his Keyblade that he willingly gave to Riku was passed to Sora, and Xehanort stole Keyblades from their weilders in his attempts to control darkness.

 

http://www.kh-vids.net/newplayer.php?id=dnincg_SeZ8

Roxas doesn not remember Sora, this video proves it. This video happens after he leaves the Org, right before DiZ whipes his memories.

The fact that he remembered Ven's memories, could also have a bearing on why he left the Org. Ven knows something about Terra and Xehanort we dont.

 

yes, this seems extremely plausable
but why would roxas retain such an exact appearence to ven, whereas namine didnt?
very good theory


ps: u misspelled ven wrong, u kept calling him vez >.>;
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HOLY MEGA BUMP BATMAN!!!

Yeah I know the mispelling.

We dont know what Namine knows. The only thing we know about her is that she can manipulate Sora's memories, and gets pushed around a lot by people in black treanch coats...

Plus... she was created differently than Roxas. Same event, different affect... created differently.

Namine is still an enigma.