Birth by Sleep Theories on BBS (yeah another one...)

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  1. khsuperfan Banned

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    So, whats all yer guy's theories on BBS.
    I'd like to see if there any good or not, and tell you their flaws and such, then eventually post up my own.
    So, lets hear about you people's theories...
     
  2. Zeftnon - The Superior Hollow Bastion Committee

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    People already put up their theories on seperate threads or on the BBS discussion thread.
     
  3. khsuperfan Banned

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    I know, but this my first time makin' one of these, so I wanna see who'll tell their theories on here.
    But I guess I'll start things off by telling a bit of my own:
    I believe that Sora is the Heartless of Ven, and Roxas is the Nobody of Ven. Xhenahort/Ansem/Xemnas is the Heartless of Terra, and Riku is Terra's Nobody. Aqua is a mystery. I don't think that she's connected to Kairi, but probably Namine. And there is a connection between Ansem the Wise and Kairi for sure.
    Because I think they once lived under the same house, the "Mansion" in Twilight town...
    Notice the simularities in Mansion, and in the house where Kairi's grandma is telling her the "legend" about the worlds and the light and darkness...
    The same kinda chairs and windows and everything. So, I wanna here a response before I go any further...
     
  4. Knightshade Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Xehanort's (from kh2) name is copied from the original Xehanort from Birth By Sleep. But that is just a fact...partially (it's all in the kh2 Ansems secret report things)
     
  5. Zeftnon - The Superior Hollow Bastion Committee

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    You could be right about Ansem being connected to Kairi. Who knows? Her grandmother might be Ansem's wife or something XD. But as for the rest of your theory: Sora can't be Ven's Heartless because Sora had a Heartless. Xehanort can't be Terra's Heartless because Xehanort had his own Heartless and Nobody.

    You may have heard people saying BBS' new enemies are people's corrupted souls, the rumored "Dis-Souls". Well, if BBS has to do with the soul, it's more logical to think that Ven's soul, released by Master Xehanort as seen in the secret ending, was transferred into Sora's body, and this is why Roxas looks exactly like him. As for Terra, many say that he is Xehanort, which would make more sense. Aqua though might not be connected to any of them. Nomura recently hinted that not all three heroes are connected to the trio we know today. So Aqua might just be... Aqua.
     
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    If Sora is a heartless though, the other heartless could have mistaken him for a normal human, thus returning him to a shodow state.
     
  7. khsuperfan Banned

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    But remember in the beginning of KH1, and KH2!
    Roxas fights a huge Nobody, indecating he may be a Nobody. So if theres a significance to that, then theres a similiar significance to Sora fighting the huge Heartless in KH. Sora has to be a Heartless, but one that is very special, and bends the rules of the game sorta. It could be possible that he has Ven's Soul in him, but how'd he get it? Master Xhenahort took it from him! If he got it back, why would he give it to a Heartless? Maybe, if Master Xhenahort put in Sora, then he's using Sora to do his will (sound formiliar).
    What other character has tried to take control of Sora? 2 different characters. Marluxia (not much of a significance) and Ansem the "Wise" who I always thought WAS Master Xhenahort when I saw the clip for the first time.
    But on to other stuff now: Time for another subject people.
    RIKU!!!
    Alright, I have a somewhat crazy theory on Riku, because he's quite the mystery to. He looks like a younger Terra, and a younger version of the Heartless Soldier that fights with M.X. in the clip. But he's in fact a more recent version of them.I have a theory on this matter. Notice that the similarity between Sora and Roxas and Riku and Ansem/Xhenahort/Xemnas are similiar (with the whole Ansem/Xhenahort/Xemnas thing I mean Ansem the Heartless...).
    When the light hits Riku at the end of KH2: he becomes himself again. I think that He's the Nobody of either Terra or the Heartless Soldier. And Ansem the Heartless is the Heartless connected with Riku... because of how many times Riku switches his being from Riku to Ansem to Riku to Ansem... it keeps going on! Just go watch the clips again, and you'll notice it.
    Thats all for now, don't wanna give it all away at one time...
     
  8. skyone6 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    That seems like a good idea, but highly unlikely. I mean there's already a scan of sora and riku as kids and think about it the game takes place around 10 years before KH. That means Sora is like 4 and Riku is 5 and the giant Heartless and Nobody could just be telling us about the new threats in the games. Agreeing Zefton, maybe when M.X. grabbed Ven and did the that thing to him it could've corrided him with darkness. That might explain why Terra's eyes went yellow at the end since he was hit in the arm. Anyways Aqua may have sensed something was going to go wrong and somehow sent Ven's Soul to Sora before it became corrupt. Doing so she may have taken in the darkness and become a heartless and her nobody could've joined with xemnas since it's obvious xemnas has a connection with Terra. If so, she followed her old friend and could've formed the organization.
     
  9. Solid Snake Kept you waiting, huh?

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    Im not sure yet but i did have the theory that Terra Ven and Aqua wernt the Keyblade barrers and so far i think im right...
     
  10. Solid Snake Kept you waiting, huh?

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    when FM+ came out i noticed that in the secret movie they dont have keychains so i didnt think they could use a real keyblade + in the Ansem reports it talked about how the keyblde brought great ruin and junk like that and only Xehanort and his Heartless dude had keychains so...

    Thats why i think this
     
  11. skyone6 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    I gotcha now, that's a pretty good observation and what do you think about what I said
     
  12. Solid Snake Kept you waiting, huh?

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    I think its a good idea and it would explain why Aqua and Ven arnt there but i think Terra is connected with Xehanort becuz he looks like him and his eyes turned orange like his...
    But im not completly sure
     
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    I heard BBS will take place 10 years prior to KH2, and in KH1, Leon claims his world was lost to darkness 9 years ago. I think we might see little kid versions of Leon, Yuffie and Aerith in this game.

    But I also heard that there are no Heartless enemies to fight; that they don't exist yet.
     
  14. Solid Snake Kept you waiting, huh?

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    Leon is like 20 so i doubt he'll be real little...

    and ur right about there being no heartless instead there are these rly weird things
     
  15. skyone6 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Yeah they have a new type of enemy and one type of them looks like the blue demon guy from Hercules. Personally I think we might see them, because their world seems to be very important to the story. I mean Hollow Bastion and the thousand heartless and Ansem the Wise. Maybe the heartless somehow originated in Radiant Garden.
     
  16. Solid Snake Kept you waiting, huh?

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    They did start in RG
    Xehanort experimented with hearts then the heartless were made remember?
     
  17. Dredica SNES was the best.

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    My theory is...there is already a thread like this -_-

    But here are SOME LITTLE theorys, no details:
    Xehanort is Master Xehanort's apprentice
    Master Xehanort is some how related to the Xehanort we know now
    Heartless will appear in BBS late in the game (If you play kh again, when you talk to cid and leon at a point, leon says the heartless attacked 10 years ago)
    The unknown enimies are called Dis-souls

    Those are little facts(some) and thoerys, not real ones...
     
  18. skyone6 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Oh ya that was right before Xehanort did that experiment becoming a heartless and a nobody along with the other assistants.
     
  19. ibtrippin Merlin's Housekeeper

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    SUDDEN REALIZATION!! WHAT ABOUT XEANORTS DIS SOUL??? sorry about spelling on ps3.
     
  20. khsuperfan Banned

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    What the?

    OK, u guys r a little, oh i dunno...oh how do i say this without getting reported...
    wrong? no thats to weak....but i don't wanna get in trouble so lets go with that, wrong.
    BBS is an interesting matter, but the facts bend your theories ok. now i'm not talking about the whole 10-9 year thing, im talking about the Ansem thing.
    Riku is somehow connected with the "fake" Ansem Heartless, but at one moment he seems Heartless, th other a Nobody. Its strange. But in all these theories, remember what they tell u in the beginning.
    The Heartless seek Kingdom Hearts.
    Who else seekd Kingdom Hearts?
    Well lets make a list:
    Master Xhenahort
    Ansem th Wise
    Ansemthe "fake"
    Xemnas/Orginization XIII
    and Heartless in general.
    So, why not Aprentice Xhenahort?
    Because he's looking for his memories, and so is Xemnas.
    Its all confusing, but I think I figured one of the big things out= )
    Riku and Ansem the "fake" are connected for sure.
    The Dis-soul thing is confusing to. It make sense to have a third being, but if they're pre KH1, then weres the trace of them in KH1+KH2?
    It doesn't make sense in that aspect.