The Yugioh Card Duel Arena 11.0

Discussion in 'The Playground' started by Hitokiri Shinigami Shinta, Dec 14, 2014.

  1. Hitokiri Shinigami Shinta The Demon Slayer

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    The problem with me is I'm not gonna be lucky enough to always have those said cards when I need them though because I can't draw them. And Elemental Heroes cannot recover from hard hits well at all. Especially the old ones. If you use Polymerization and bring out a beefy Fusion only for it to get Raigekied, Dark Holed, or Mirror Forced etc. that's an instant -3 from the hand so next turn your chances of recovering are pretty slim. If I used Blackwings it would be easier because they actually ARE pretty good at recovering from hard hits. But there's no way I could recover from being hit by a Raigeki and 2 Dark Holes and/or 3 Mirror Forces.

    Also I don't like how Konami literally FORCES you to change your deck and/or try new cards like every six months. It's probably just my Severe Asperger's but I hate change with a passion...
     
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  2. Yakumo Moogle Assistant

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    Orichalcos > Summon Malefic > Tribute for Dark Matter > Shackles + mage power gives you Dark Matter with 5500 power, striking into 100 attack monster is 10800 damage. That's already an OTK. Getting out dark matter is not more expenisve and to add to all, more consistent.

    Red-Eyes in not worth attention in this deck. Only ones you can consider playing are MRD and MBEWD with must have addition of MSD. I imminently would drop MRD, cuz its level 10, unless you want to run Mound of the Bound Creator, that can work with DHDs. However I prefer to run Orichalcos. In version I tested I used 2 MBEWD with 1 BEWD in deck and 3 MSD, on top with tree copies of Trade-in, 2 Grinder Golems and Creature Swaps to make even more chances for OTK. Ah and of course BLS.

    Okay what cards can avoid this? Armades, level 5 synchro monster. MST will always be bane off all backrow and that won't change. MAS, MF, MC, even your DoH is complete trash when treated with such card. It thins your deck and always kills one monster your opponent controls, unless they are attacking with something over 4800 ATK. And it also can win you game if your opponent decides to finish it of with low ATK monster. It is stronger when it can be used.

    Except for fact that Koa'ki Meiru spell is completely useless, except when used for costs, that you will do only in pure Koa'ki Meiru deck, that is not that good. You seriously try to compare spell that do almost nothing to spells that can actually do something? Really if you want to compare those cards to other self-recycling cards, use RUM Astral Force. That card that at cost of adding it to your hand and having possibility to rank-up one monster by two ranks. However it takes your special summon. Here you go, a card that not only do something but have cost that force you to not use it whenever you can. I could accept every single one of those spells if they had some limitations to their self-recycling effect. But only one that have some kind of tat limitation is S&R, which is Arvice and Burial overpowered love child. Banishing one face-down is not that big of a deal, especially when you get to draw 2.

    The thing is that they all are situational and tops over anything we have or had available in game, but forces it to be used with this archetype.

    Blitz gives you opportunity to lower number of cards in your deck by being able to search when you normal summon your monsters.

    Universal fills your graveyard for Unending, adds 1 spell, and can search itself to repeat process again.

    Prophecy is something that you would call weaker Arvice, but fact that you can recycle it and it let you breathe makes it so strong. After all you wont be using it when you don't need to.

    Recovery not only recover your banished cards directly into deck, but also lets you draw and sets up your banished for Syphon.

    They may not give you tons of advantage, but they do other thing you probably never though of. They give your draws extra effect. Something that does not exist in game by itself, and goes against fundamental things about how duel works. That's why they shouldn't be made in first place. You may say that you go 0 or at best +1, but what you really do is giving your draws effects. We might as well change rules so every time we draw we gain life points or put back cards into deck.

    No. Range of targets is most of difference between Lighting Vortex and Raigeki. Discarding one card is its minor trait. And you again try to compare them to pre-existing cards even stating that they would be worse, if not for self recycle effect.

    No. What I'm doing here is trying to respect rules of the game, when you try to do everything to go around them with those spells. Neither Fiend Synchronizer or Skull Beast does not brake fundamental rules of game.

    Just remembering you that you posted them for all formats. Both non-random with arena banlist and random with true banlist. So yes, you should make your cards so they will be balanced when you combo them with banned cards, because you posted them in format that does allow them to be used and combed with your created cards.

    It does not need boosted ATK, but special summon condition would be acceptable.



    Oh look, another card that goes around fundamental rules of game. No from me.



    Its good now. I can even say that you might consider getting rid of its self banishing effect.

    Accepted.
     
  3. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Yes, this needs to be on the field, but it also does all draws, not just one draw per turn.
    For the graveyard, we have this:

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    Sure it's in the standby phase, but it does once per turn like my spells, and it doesn't stop other things from activating on the same trigger like my spells do.

    I made my spells be instead of the normal draw so that only one could be recycled each turn. Would you prefer that they became "During your standby phase: You can place one card from your hand on top of your deck; Add this card to your hand. You cannot add other Spell Cards from your graveyard to your hand this standby phase"? Because I don't mind making that change.
     
  4. Yakumo Moogle Assistant

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    Solemn Wishes will take your space on field, so it will backfire if you run many traps. Marie is a joke for all deck, except for this one that can utilize it, but is so weak that almost nobody plays it nowadays. However your spells come to something that can become AV model.

    But first, nice change, that is even worse than original. I like part when you **** up all effects even more by adding, weak but still, hand control.

    Also OMG "It happens once" arguments. I love those. You know what else happens once? Raigeki (per deck). One for One (per deck). BLS (per turn). Do you realize how irrelevant this argument is, when it may happens once per turn, but still gives you so much advantage. However, unlike Raigeki that gives you so much advantage once when played, and usually it won't be seen again, your spells gives it once: Every. Single. Turn. You. Want. They don't even force you to recycle them that could somewhat be reasonable, except for fact it wouldn't ever become reasonable; because nobody would play them if they could force you to recycle them.

    Also lets talk about self recycling effects. You seem to fail to accept what they are. A reward. Reward you may take, but nobody forces you to do so. However you act like its punishment.
    Of course there are rewards you simply don't want to take (Koa'ki Meiru), but there are one that you may want to take, because they will benefit you at the moment (Astral Force).
    However most of spells you presented will reward you trice every time you decide to take them. 1st time when you recycle them. 2nd time when you get effect. 3rd time when you get to draw for getting two rewards before.
    If spells you presented were:
    a) completely useless by themselves (cards that recycle back into deck do not towards useless by themselves category, because if they will be useful will depends on how game goes) (Koa'ki Meiru)
    b) presenting more potential disadvantage than advantages (Astral Force)
    They could be considered for acceptance.

    And before you scream "Soul Syphon cannot work by itself", ocne set-up is done, it gives you more advantages than any existing card in the game (its even better than PoG).
     
  5. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Okay, here's the thing. Recycling them is net 0. You act like it is a +1. When Syphon Soul is set up with 15 cards, it does not give you Any card advantage. It gives you a whole lot of life points. You can say it's the best life point gaining card in the game (but I'll point you at Rainbow Life), but I have no clue why you think it's comparable to Pot of Greed.

    Soul Syphon with lots of setup is "Instead of drawing, you can gain LP then draw". Not "Instead of drawing you can gain LP then draw twice" or simply "Every turn, you can gain LP then draw."


    Edit: Oh, and your "It happens once" being a bad argument is nice and all.. But the argument it was against is "You're doing something that's avoiding the game rules, which is something Konami never does". So the fact that I was able to cite multiple times they had done exactly what you said I was doing is a solid argument.
     
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  6. Hitokiri Shinigami Shinta The Demon Slayer

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  7. Brooklyn Moogle Assistant

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    Ladies and gentleman! We've got a show for you all tonight! It's the battle of the century! Watch as two great forces collide.. Tachyon vs. DHD!
    Now.. let the show begin!
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  8. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    This is a random draw duel, and for the sake of Yakumo I shall posting my hand in a spoiler at the start and end of each move. Just so you can see how much or little cards help me at any given time.

    Draw Phase---
    *Can't draw because going first*
    *hand 5*
    Desecrator
    Pathfinder
    Destroyer
    2x Prophecy (I only run two. Bad luck.)
    Standby Phase---
    Main Phase 1---
    End Phase---
    Field: Empty
    LP: 8k
    Hand: 5 (see prior)
     
  9. Brooklyn Moogle Assistant

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    My turn! Draw!
    *standby*
    *main phase 1*
    I activate Pot of Duality!
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    This lets me reveal the top three cards of me deck..
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    Tachyon Transmigration:
    If you control a "Galaxy-Eyes" monster: Negate the activations of your opponent's Spell Cards, Trap Cards, and monster effects that are in the same Chain as this card, and if you do, shuffle all of those negated cards on the field into the Deck. If you control a "Galaxy-Eyes Tachyon Dragon" monster, you can activate this card from your hand.

    And add one of them to my hand!
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    I end my turn.
    Field 0
    LP: Same. 8000.
    *hand 6*
     
  10. Hitokiri Shinigami Shinta The Demon Slayer

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    This should be interesting. Maybe I'll finally get to see what Pendulums can do.
     
  11. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Draw Phase---
    hand 6
    Desecrator
    Destroyer
    2x prophecy
    2x pathfinder
    standby---
    main 1---
    Set one monster.
    End phase---
    LP: 8k all
    hand: 5
    Field:
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    Desecrator
    Destroyer
    2x prophecy
    pathfinder
     
  12. Brooklyn Moogle Assistant

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    I draw!
    *standby*
    *main phase 1*
    first I normal summon summoner monk, which goes into defense position immediately with its effect.
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    Next I shall use its effect, discarding 1 spell card to summon a level 4 monster from my deck. It may not be able to do anything this turn, but it doesn't need to.
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    Special summon:
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    And I shall now activate Galaxy wizard's effect, making it level 8!
    with that, I can activate galaxy expedition to summon Galaxy-eyes photon dragon from my deck in defense mode!
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    With him on my field, I can activate this spell card: Photon stream of destruction!
    This allows me to banish that face-down monster of yours.
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    If you control a "Galaxy-Eyes" monster: Target 1 card on the field;banish that target. If you do not control "Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon", you can only activate this card during your turn.

    What is it?
     
  13. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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  14. Brooklyn Moogle Assistant

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    Now that your field has been cleared, I'll go ahead and overlay Galaxy wizard with Galaxy-eyes photon dragon to Xyz summon Number 62: Galaxy-eyes prime photon dragon!
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    Afterwards, I discard photon crusher to special summon Galaxy soldier from my hand! his effect allows me to add 1 galaxy monster from my deck to my hand.
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    I add:
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    Next I'll activate galaxy zero to special summon the crusher I just discarded!
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    And I'll just immediately overlay him with my Summoner Monk to Xyz summon Number 101: Silent Honors Arc Knight!
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    Now then.. it's time to end this.
    Silent Honors Arc Knight, attack Fred directly!
    -2100

    I detach one Xyz material to activate Prime Photon dragon's effect. He gains 200 atk for each rank on the field. there's 12, so his atk becomes 6400.
    Galaxy-eyes Prime Photon dragon! attack directly with Primal Stream of Destruction!!!
    -6400
     
  15. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    As you can see, I am dead. The next draw was Dark Matter, bringing me no closer to being able to do anything. Rematch?
     
  16. Brooklyn Moogle Assistant

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    Indeed.
     
  17. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Draw Phase---
    *hand 5*
    Sacrifice
    2x Desecrator
    2x Denial of Hope
    Standby Phase---
    Main Phase---
    Set three and end.
    end phase---
    hand 2
    field:
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  18. Brooklyn Moogle Assistant

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    I draw and end. *hand 6*
     
  19. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    I draw and end.
    *hand 3*
    2x desecrator
    Universal Magic

    Note: I panicked last turn and set Sacrifice as a decoy to protect denial. As such, I can't discard it now. Perhaps a mistake on my part. Dunno.
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  20. Brooklyn Moogle Assistant

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    I draw! *hand 7*
    *standby*
    *main phase 1*
    I special summon photon thrasher!
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