The Yugioh Card Duel Arena 10.0

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  1. Toon-Girl-Abby Merlin's Housekeeper

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    I think this is more-or-less a follow up. At least I was gonna reference Silver being in the other RP...
     
  2. Hitokiri Shinigami Shinta The Demon Slayer

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    If I tell Latias that you guys want her to come back I feel pretty sure she will.
     
  3. Toon-Girl-Abby Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Thanks!

    Oooooh, btw, I was just gonna paste this! The best of both worlds (For me)!

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  4. Hitokiri Shinigami Shinta The Demon Slayer

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    Ok I talked to her. She says she might come back after Monday.
     
  5. Toon-Girl-Abby Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Yay! Btw, I have decide to use two characters and just characters. One will be Silver and the other one will be a good character to balance out the morality chart.
     
  6. Hitokiri Shinigami Shinta The Demon Slayer

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    We might possibly have time for one quick Duel:

    LP: 8000
    Customs: No
    Anime Exclusives: No
    Manga Exclusives: No
    Video Game Exclusives: Yes but Tag Force Only
    God Cards: Sure!
    Illegal Cards: No
    First Player: Me
    Number of Cards per Deck: 80
    Number of Cards per Extra Deck: 15
    Other conditions(luck based cards, handicaps, etc.): Old school rules.

    Does anybody know how to Pendulum summon? Cuz I don't even know how to summon those.
     
  7. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    The number under the blue arrow is the left scale, the number under the red arrow is the right scale. So far I believe that every pendulum monster has the same left and right scales.

    When you play a pendulum monster into the left pendulum zone, its left scale is used. When you play it into the right zone, its right scale is used. Once per turn you can pendulum summon any number of monsters from your hand, or pendulum monsters from your extra deck, that have a higher level than your left scale but a lower level than your right scale. A pendulum summon is inherent, like a Synchro Summon, so it can be negated with cards like Thunder King Rai-oh.

    Unlike a field spell, you cannot play a pendulum monster onto an occupied scale. If you want to remove your pendulum monster from a scale, you must destroy it with a card effect.

    The effect written between the blue and red arrows is the pendulum effect. This is active as long as the monster is in a pendulum zone. The lower effect is active when the monster is not in the pendulum zone, as per other monsters.

    Pendulum monsters begin in the main deck, and are treated as monster cards at most times. A pendulum monster can be played from the hand like a monster, or activated to either the left or right pendulum zone. This activation is treated as the activation of a spell card, and while the pendulum monster is in the pendulum zone it is treated as a spell card instead of a monster card.

    When a pendulum monster would be sent from the field to the graveyard, it is instead sent face-up to the extra deck. Other than being able to be pendulum summoned, or affected by certain card effects, a pendulum monster in the extra deck does nothing. Unlike Crystal Beast monsters, if Macro Cosmos is on the field, a pendulum monster will be banished when it would be sent to the grave, instead of being sent to the extra deck.
     
  8. Hitokiri Shinigami Shinta The Demon Slayer

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    So people can just summon these whenever they want at absolutely no cost? That's crazy...What's the point of even giving them a level or a rank then?
     
  9. Yakumo Moogle Assistant

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    Positioning of scales doesn't matter. You can have Scale 9 Qli Scout on left and Scale 1 Qli Assembler and still be able to preform pendulum summon mosters from 2 to 8. Also to make this explanation a little bit more complete; when Pendulum monster is treated as Spell Card, it's not treated as any existing type of Spell (Normal, Quick, Field, etc.). And yes till this point every monster have even Scales on both sides and monsters with two different scales, if they make appearance, they probably gonna be anime exclusive.[DOUBLEPOST=1417991961][/DOUBLEPOST]
    Cost of this summon is hand advantage. You loose cards pretty quickly. And right now only good pendulum decks that can deal with that problem are Qli's and DDD's. And they Level (not rank) matters. But more importantly what matters are their pendulum effects and scales.
    EDIT: Right now there are 40 pendulum monsters (46 if we count illegal cards and 47 if we count twice appearing on list "Flash Knight") that are accessible in game. And most of higher scaled ones have effects that prevents them from being used outside of certain archetype. Also I forgot to mention Yosenju archetype. It also can deal with lack of cards in hand, but it's not pure pendulum archetype.
     
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  10. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    I was not aware of this. Thanks for the correction.
     
  11. Yakumo Moogle Assistant

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    Also lets talk about best case scenario for meta-Qli build. It involves standard randomized chances, so in arena it could be even Batter.
    Case of going first:
    You set scale with:
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    Hand:3
    With Scout you add 1 "Qli" card, in this case lets say we go all in:
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    Hand:4
    Now we pendulum summon 3 regular pendulum monsters from our hand:
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    (I personally think its a best combination you can get in your Extra deck)
    Hand:1
    Also its worth mentioning that if our opponent activates Maxx"C", he gets only 1 card.
    Now we tribute our Qli monsters for Towers
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    And by this moment opponent probably just ragequit. Unless they can do something that can deal with it.
    We use Towers effect to make our opponent discard 1 monster OR look at their hand if they don't have any.
    -End Phase-
    We get to draw 3 card due to Assembler eff (too lazy to paste its eff, just go and look for it on wiki).

    Hand:3
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    Other available and more often happening case is you ending with similar scale (different monsters, but scale stays at 9-1), 1-2 Qli monsters, having Skill Drain in back-row together with Emptiness. At this point it's all Kyogre now. If we go second it looks similar, but in best case we get Raigeki for more Pendulum butthurt OR just OTK It's too bad that for now I don't see any good Qli FTK strategies (but old good Catapult Turtle may be answer for that).
     
  12. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    The builds that I saw of Qli don't run Towers or Assembler. They focus on a heavy back row and heavy searching for Scout. A long game allows them to best abuse the massive advantage given by Scout and Pendulum Summoning. Additionally, Sqlifice being an amazing card makes Assembler less worth. With my Qli deck, the best case scenario turn one is Summoner's Art > scout > saqlifice, normal summon Helix or Carrier, equip it with saqlifice, set some face-downs. Hopefully one of which is Reqliphort, because that thing is amazing.
     
  13. Toon-Girl-Abby Merlin's Housekeeper

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    "There's gonna be a duel? Great! :D"

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  14. Hitokiri Shinigami Shinta The Demon Slayer

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    Wait what? I thought Pendulums came from the Extra Deck. How does summoning 2 of them make you lose 2 cards from the hand?
     
  15. Toon-Girl-Abby Merlin's Housekeeper

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    I recommend to start the duel now if you really want to duel. We're in a countdown now.
     
  16. Hitokiri Shinigami Shinta The Demon Slayer

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    Oh yeah...

    Also, I don't get why Mass Driver and Magical Scientist are Banned but yet Cannon Solider and Catapault Turtle aren't...
     
  17. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Pendulum monsters are main deck monsters. You need to get them on the field somehow, then when they would be sent to the grave they're sent to the extra deck instead. Summoning them from the extra deck is free as part of your once per turn pendulum summon, but to get them there in the first place you generally need to SS them from your hand. Which you generally do with your pendulum summon.
     
  18. Yakumo Moogle Assistant

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    I saw many builds and I personally like this one most. But as I said for me it's a best case scenario. Naturally it involves searching/drawing cards. Plus Assembler gives you too much draw power to not use it. But again in the end, one with Towers or Kernel would win the Qli race, as in basic in case of your deck, if you don't run other monster that can deal with that, you go -1 every turn on never ending wall of pendulum monsters. Reqliphort is not that good, but it's your additional one sided Skill Drain. On other hand Saqlifice is great card that can possibly help you with Towers/Kernel and give you all searches you need. Ehh I guess everybody plays their own way. My deck focuses on speed and getting all the pluses. I guess you prefer to go slower with this deck.
     
  19. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Yeah, my deck would probably lose almost any Qli mirror match.

    I personally disagree about Reqliphort being worse than skill drain (which I think you were implying). It can be searched by scout, which is a huge plus, it still lets you use the effects of your big monsters, and it can help shut out pendulum decks more than Skill Drain does due to the banishing thing. Also, the lack of the 1k cost of skill drain helps if you're using scout heavily. Its only failing comes against decks that normal summon high level monsters (e.g. Monarchs), can summon low level monsters and use their effects without other monster effects being used (e.g. A Hero Lives > Shadow Mist), or can spam Xyz without using monster effects on the field (e.g. Heraldry, Photons).

    Then again, I guess the life point cost and the ability to be searched by scout matters less if you rely more on assembler draws and faster games. Still, if you use skill drain before you summon Towers, Towers will be negated by it.
     
  20. Brooklyn Moogle Assistant

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    Also, Reqliphort negates the monster for the turn even after it leaves the field.