The Yugioh Card Duel Arena 10.0

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  1. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    The difference is reactivity. A lot of the time when I play my Fables, I can't figure out what the best move is. Even with just one card, the now banned Pot of Avarice, I had to make difficult decisions based on how the game is going, what my opponent is doing, ect. There are times when I have five monsters in grave, some of which I want back in the deck, but I don't use Pot of Avarice because I want to keep a Kushano in my grave, or I want to special summon something with Krus. Other times I would discard Krus and choose not to summon a monster because if I did I would remove the fifth monster from my grave and thus not be able to use Pot of Avarice. On top of that, making decisions such as whether to summon Ragin first or use Avarice first to return fables that I want to draw to my deck can be hard. There is no one best move. And that's just playing one spell card. Decisions of when to synchro what with which monsters getseven more complex. I've lost games because I synchro summoned the right monster with the wrong materials, and thus couldn't pull off the correct synchro summon on the next turn. But the game could easily have played out in a way where I would have needed to synchro the way that I did to use a different synchro on the following turn to win.

    With Infernity, there is little to no dependence on what your opponent is doing. Maybe in some games it's better to summon a Void Ogre while in others it's better to go for a Stardust Dragon.. But the real difference is minimal, because you've basically won by the point you've gone through your looping and gotten to the point where you need to make that decision. Choosing not to loop never gives you an advantage, and your opponent stopping your loop with a trap never hurts more than if you had tried to do something else and gotten hit with the same trap.

    I could write a program that could play Infernity nearly as well as I can, and it wouldn't be based much if at all on what my opponent had, but I could never write a program that could even come close to matching my skill with my Fables. Maybe I could write a program that would do about as well as someone picking up the deck for the first time without ever having seen it played.. But I doubt that.
     
  2. Yakumo Moogle Assistant

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    Oh believe me, maybe you couldn't write that program, but it's possible to create it. Probably it would took somebody lifespan to create it, but it's possible. As I think I said before some decks are harder to go on autopilot with them. Maybe impossible for most of human being. But it's possible to memorize every single combo you can use (but if anybody would do that with some decks I would question that person sanity).

    The point is that you proved superiority of Infernity in coming to autopilot before. And that Fables if played correctly can respond to bigger variation of situations.
     
  3. Toon-Girl-Abby Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Yeah. It's ridiculous. I just recently came from the Pokémon metagame and as unbalanced as it can get at times, they are fair. Anything, any Pokémon, mechanic, or move that becomes overcentralized gets kicked to the highest tiers or outright banned. Even the new Pokémon. Especially the new Pokémon.

    And the ones that don't, it's because an old Pokémon that's relatively good can deal with the new broken, or because a new mechanic nerfs the old broken-ness.

    A good example of this were the Dragon types. Oh gosh, the dragons. Resisting the most elementary types, only resisted by steel, their entire gimmick was to hit stuff silly with ridiculously powerful moves (the only non-damaging move they have boosts their ability to keep doing this), and the way to get rid of one was with another dragon or use a fragil-as-an-ice-cube Ice types. Game Freak noticed this and created the Fairy Types (making people do Yugioh jokes, lol), which not only are super effective against them but are outright inmune to their attacks.

    Stealth Rock. Hated by some, dreaded by many (Especially Charizard fans). That move chopped away half the health of a Pokémon at maximum if you switched it, something that's crucial in the metagame, and unlike spikes and toxic spikes, it didn't need to be stacked to make it work(this actually makes these 2 moves fairer, as you lose time that your opponent can attack you by stacking them).

    The only way out of this at first was by using Rapid Spin. Yes, that was the last nail in the coffin, since Rapid Spin is a very weak attack and can be blocked by Ghost types. This made Stealth Rock to be kicked to the highest tiers.

    BUT. This generation buffed the otherwise useless move Defog, now making it work like Rapid Spin and since it's NOT a damaging move, Ghosts cannot block it. This was what prevented Stealth Rock from being banned now, because it was THAT BAD.

    There's no need to read the spoiler if you don't care about Pokémon. But still! The metagame in Yugioh is ridiculous, not only adding new cards with new mechanics that are broken but also banning cards that could deal with them. THAT IS NOT FAIR AT ALL.
     
  4. Yakumo Moogle Assistant

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    AKA making money.

    Lods of emone.
     
  5. Toon-Girl-Abby Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Pokémon also makes money. Loads and loads of money. It's Nintendo's second biggest franchise and it's practically the living embodiment of Cash Cow Franchise. Yet Game Freak knows that is not an excuse to make the game unfair.
     
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  7. Toon-Girl-Abby Merlin's Housekeeper

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    I'd tell you that even metagamers agree than pendulums are broken. Only metagamers who for some strange reason likes them think otherwise, and that amount of that people is low.
     
  8. Yakumo Moogle Assistant

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    Meta players by pendulum think of "Qli". Pendulums are strong. "Qli"s are broken. But the thing is: most of people that play meta are prepared to deal with them. And; suprender, suprender; they are managing to win over them.
     
  9. Toon-Girl-Abby Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Where is SirFred when I need him... *sighs*

    EDIT: Why my connection must be so sluggish?! UUUURGH!!!

    Double Post.
     
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    I will ask you two questions.
    Did you tried to play against or with "Qli"s versus any of current Meta decks?
    Also did you check current meta?
     
  11. Toon-Girl-Abby Merlin's Housekeeper

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    It doesn't matter now. I'll wait for SirFred because I don't have enough arguments due to me being a horrible duelist.[DOUBLEPOST=1416698775][/DOUBLEPOST]@StardustXtreme, wanna RP with us? Well, when Latias comes, that is. Or you could interact with my Silver character, I duno.
     
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  12. Hitokiri Shinigami Shinta The Demon Slayer

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    Back. And sorry guys but I really don't feel like RPing right now.[DOUBLEPOST=1416706768][/DOUBLEPOST]
    I would tell you that you are dead wrong on countless levels.
     
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  13. Toon-Girl-Abby Merlin's Housekeeper

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    @Jaden Yuki : *backstabs me, Latias and the RP*

    Aw, man. You know you were the key for the RP to go on, right? :/
     
  14. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    I don't have up to date information to make an argument about pendulums being broken. All I can say is "They're a lot stronger than the old stuff, and they're a lot less fun to play". Maybe there's new non-pendulum stuff that is just as strong as pendulums.. But if so it's a lot stronger than what used to exist, and in my opinion cards were starting to get a bit silly before pendulums were a thing.
     
  15. Hitokiri Shinigami Shinta The Demon Slayer

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    I don't care what anyone says or thinks. The real game is completely broken and unfair.[DOUBLEPOST=1416709033][/DOUBLEPOST]
    I just don't feel like it right now ok? Maybe tomorrow. But no promises.
     
  16. Toon-Girl-Abby Merlin's Housekeeper

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    OK.

    @SirFred131, is your body ready for some RP action? :D[DOUBLEPOST=1416709785][/DOUBLEPOST]EDIT: I'm sorry if I was a bit jerkish. ):
     
  17. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    The answer is that I probably am not ready, given that I don't know the contents of the RP I would be participating in, and that I am continuing my perpetual lack of a character.

    Edit: Actually, tell me what character to play. If they're someone I don't know, I'll probably do terribly, but I'll try anyway. If they're someone I do know, I'll probably still do poorly :P
     
  18. Toon-Girl-Abby Merlin's Housekeeper

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    You could be Zack, though! ;P

    Isn't he your wild card OC, after all?
     
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    Just seen Synchron Extreme's cards and I know know my Yuseiness will be even more epic~!
     
  20. Toon-Girl-Abby Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Hey, considering Silver and Lati@s from the Pokémonverse are here, can you be Yusei? The RP Location is Duel Academia, but I think we could make it work! :D