The Yugioh Card Duel Arena 10.0

You can see this now:

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Ok, now the picture is visible. So...

WHAT THE HECK IS THAT?!?!?!

 

Because you could do that from begining! Now you write that to make it look like I fixed something when I didn't! I knew that I can't trust you!

 

Whatever. But answer me, what the heck is that?!

 

(OoC: Join in on your RP? Maybe, but not duel anymore, because I don't check on this as often as I did.)

*approaches the couple from behind* "Anderson, huh?"

 

GIF image.

 

Very funny.

"Yes! Have you seen that guy?

<Wait... Now that I think about it, my partner is not here... Huh, whatever! Who needs a companion! They are for wimps!>

If you have seen that guy, just show me the way! If not, just get lost!"



((OOC: "<>" = Thinking. Just in case, Latias replied to my characters' thoughts))

 

"Now I wonder who this is? He seems to be know the name." She thought to herself.



She turned to her partner. "Being rude to a total stranger will get us no where. Let's see what he has to say." she said.

 

"Huh, whatever! We don't have time for wimps or weirdos, we need to go back to our own world!

So he either knows something or not! Otherwise he's just useless!"

 

(OoC: I know, I use that thought style too. :D)

"My name? It's Marufuji Ryou. Yes," *eyes to the sky* "I have seen him crossing dimensions. Johan Anderson... When I first saw his ultimate monster-- actually, it wasn't exactly him, but either way, I was there, and it had appeared right before my eyes."

(No image, he is smiling near the end of that 'speech'.)

 

"So, have you seem that guy around here or not?! We don't have all day to wait for your reply, you know! Speak clearly!"

 

*narrows eyes to Silver* "Yes, I've last seen him on this island."

(@Jaden Yuki Your cue, please whenever possible)

 

OOC: Jaden is gone till tomorrow at evening...

 

Pendulum Summon is not in any way, shape, or form, balanced. Take for example, Crystal Vanguard. Its monster effect is that you can tribute it to search any CB monster or Crystal S/T. That would normally be balanced. However, because it's a Pendulum Monster, when you tribute it it goes to the extra deck. Then next turn, you can summon it again for free. With 3x Crystal Vanguard in extra deck, you can search any three CB or CB support cards every turn, completely for free. In other words, you can have Crystal Abundance OTK every turn, assuming you have the correct support cards in your deck.[DOUBLEPOST=1416621575][/DOUBLEPOST]

In my opinion, Infernity is the most autopilot, least skill based deck in the game. There is always a best move because of your lack of hand, and the way your combos work. Deck construction takes some skill, but beyond that it's all about learning combos. The problem is that people who net decked Infernity because they were super OP didn't take the time to learn those combos, and without those combos the deck sucks.

 

I guessed so too. That's why I said I'd need to get familiarized with he deck to make it work. Otherwise, the "no card in hand" requirement is very easy to fulfill.

 

Of course it is. In some way. Unless we think about how many cards actually can COMPLETELY ruin your plays in Pendulum based deck. Plus going to Crystal Vanguard. Unless you don't want it's pendulum effect you won't have 3 searches per turn. And if you have correct support cards to get 3 searches, its Crystal Beast side becomes really inconsistent. It just don't work that good outside theory. I tested a few builds, unless you can tell me that you have your build ready that can use it relatively easy every turn and still be Crystal Beast focused, I'm not interested in hearing 'it can be broken in theory'.

I'm not saying it's not a autopilot deck. Almost every deck can be considered autopilot. I'm talking about skill that is involved in playing the deck itself. It's true that it suffers when people just take ready product from deck and never learn how to play it.

 

That... was what SirFred was trying to tell you.

And honestly, the only sure way to stop Pendulums would be with Anti-Spell Fragance (or however that card is called). And that card is banned, right? And if to stop a card you need another card that's considered broken enough to be banned in some circles (If not in the entire game), you simply cannot say the card you are trying to counter is not broken.

If you are not interested in hearing logic, then it's rather unfortunate for you.

 

Bottomles Trap Hole. Deep Dark Trap Hole. This wrecks any push for game in Pendulum decks. And most of them are designed for speed, not protecting monsters. And yes you can say that card you are trying to counter is not broken.

 

My Fables can't be considered autopilot, except by people who have no clue how they work. The new Nekroz cards look like they aren't autopilot. I could probably literally write a computer program that could play Infernity well enough to beat most decks that aren't meta most of the time. Their gameplay is entirely built around necro > archfiend > search > synch > necro > archfiend > search > synch > necro > archfiend > search > synch > necro > archfiend > search > synch. Any way of playing them other than doing that is suboptimal. And I have played a lot of different games with a lot of different decks against Infernity. Either they manage to do that loop, in which case they win, or they don't, in which case they get stomped.

Yakumo.. You're right that I don't have experience with CB's pendulums. Perhaps I am reacting too strongly. I was using that as an example of how, if they were spammed, pendulums were OP.. but I guess that I picked a bad example because the right tools aren't in place to spam that specific pendulum.

That said, the main problem that I have with pendulums.. Is the fact that Konami is changing the list to make pendulums stronger and everything else weaker.. And the pendulum mechanic isn't fun imo. It doesn't take the thought of a Synchro Summon in Fables does, or that an Xyz summon in Constellar can. Whenever the scales are set, you can bring out any pendulum for free.

But I haven't yet justified my view that the ban list is being engineered to help pendulums, so I'll do that now. What is the best way to fight pendulum monsters? multi S/T destruction to unset the scales. What card does this? Heavy Storm. Heavy storm is the best card for non-pendulum decks to use against pendulum decks, but is a bit harder for a pendulum deck to use against another pendulum deck. In other words, it helps validate the existence of non-pendulum decks while adding more thought and choice to battles between pendulum decks. So they ban it. What is super weak against pendulums compared to how strong it is against other decks? multi monster destruction. What card does this? Raigeki. Raigeki is a card that makes OTKs super easy, and usually creates large amounts of card advantage against any non-pendulum deck. Against a pendulum deck, however, it will not create any card advantage. In other words, it shuts down everything that isn't a pendulum, and makes lucky draw > OTK much easier even in a pendulum vs. pendulum battle. So they unban it. They get rid of a card that's good for the game, but strong against pendulums, then bring back a card that's bad for the game but weak against pendulums.


The other thing.. Is that I used pendulums once. Back when DN first got them, before the first pendulum archetype was on DN, I made a deck that mostly consisted of pendulums that were either vanilla or I couldn't use their effects well, and then I threw in The Wicked Avatar, and I think a god card or two.. And when they actually managed to get a few cards in the extra deck, the fact that I could resummon them every turn meant that I could stall against Brook's stronger decks until I drew Avatar, and then summon it to win. They were super inconsistent because they were just a bunch of vanillas thrown together, all at three, but they were still able to beat a strong deck a third of the time simply by relying on the strength of the Pendulum Summon mechanic.



TL;DR: Pendulums probably aren't as bad as I think they are, but they're still bad and konami is specifically trying to make them stronger than they should be by messing with the ban list.

 

(I know. Mind if we wait until then?)

 

If you would give it enough time you could also create program that would play any deck on master level. You just proved that it's easier for Infernities to go into they autopilot-mode. Your Fables also can fall into autopilot at some point. Nekroz are autopilot, but it's not that much of autopilot as in some other cases. Any deck can fall into being autopilot when you learn certain combos that works in deck. In one case there will be one combo worth remembering, in others there will be ton of them, but it don't mean you cannot memorize them all and make it autopilot.

Believe me, I realize that pendulum spam is broken and Konami is messing with ban-list to boost their power. But there is marketing going on, so everybody will spend their money to buy Pendulum Cards. But for the most of time, only pendulum based deck that is worth of hate that all cards of the kind receive is "Qli" deck (you can add DDD to this category of hate worthy deck, but problems with Konami boosting them is not that strong. I don't think they received new support since they were released.)

Speaking of Qli:
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Apoqliphort_Kernel
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Qliphort_Alias
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Qliphort_Access
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Qliphort_Assembler

[PENDULUM HATE INTENSIFIES]