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  1. EvilMan_89 Code Master

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    failed system? i don't know..........i honestly am not sure. but violent crimes can still happen even WITH a successful system.
     
  2. Cin Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp

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    In a system where everyone is completely equal, there's no reason for crime. What's the point in stealing or murder if you already have everything that everyone else has?
     
  3. TheMagicalMisterMistoffelees Professional Crazy

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    Communist.
    Just joking around. But seriously, what you just described sounds something like communism, and they still have issues with murderers and robbers.
     
  4. Cin Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp

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    Yeah because communism is SOOOOOO evil.
     
  5. TheMagicalMisterMistoffelees Professional Crazy

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    That's not what I was implying at all. Except maybe in that joke there.
     
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    I don't even see why you would point it out if you didn't have a problem with it.

    Communism is an abused system, but it's one that would work without corruption and mild dictatorship thrown in. In a way it's scary how the lines of communism and capitalism are blurred these days, to the point where the world's "real" capitalism are only illusions of such things. Right now we're all equally ****ed.
     
  7. TheMagicalMisterMistoffelees Professional Crazy

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    It's not that I have a problem with it, I was just comparing what you said with something in the real world.
    But I agree with everything else you said there.
     
  8. Patsy Stone Мать Россия

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    As I have said before, Communism would never had worked. Some people naturally want to lead and others naturally want to be lead. Society eventually settles with people at the top and people at the bottom, and all the problems associated with that.

    But I accept your point about the sustainable societies based upon the sharing of the resources with a non-monetary trading system. However, I have little faith in humanity to ever actually fulfill such a dream.
     
  9. EvilMan_89 Code Master

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    not everyone commits crimes because they NEED to. some people just do it because they want more (which is greed). rich people are capable of murder and theft even if they don't need to do those things. and some people have done it just for the "thrill" of doing it. the fact that everyone would have the same things isn't enough in my opinion, to stop people from doing crimes.
     
  10. GhettoXemnas literally dead inside

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    He said there wouldn't really be a reason, not that it would completely disapear. It would be a lot less though.
     
  11. EvilMan_89 Code Master

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    well yea, but i was just pointing out that there are more reasons other than nesscisity for crimes such as theft and murder. i don't THINK i've misunderstood what Cin said anyway. but you can correct me if i'm wrong.
     
  12. GhettoXemnas literally dead inside

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    You're not wrong, I was just throwing in my 2cents.
     
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    The difference between communism and what Cin is talking about, is that there would be no currency. All materials and resources are essentially free.

    Why rob someone when you can get it at 90% less the hassle from a mall? Why murder someone and steal there money when there is no money? Why kill your wife for taking your assets in a marriage/custody battle when there is no such thing as "assets" in a system where monetary concern is passed and done with?

    And the sad thing is, we can have that abundance. We just get told we can't and therefore think it. When the truth is that there is more than enough water, machinery, food and materials for homes everywhere.
     
  14. Patsy Stone Мать Россия

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    What Evilman was saying is that money and resources are not always the motivation. How many serial killers did it for the money? How many school shootings had a financial basis? Mental imbalance or religion are the causes for most killings, not money.
     
  15. EvilMan_89 Code Master

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    like Bunterx and i said, tangible goods aren't always the motivation for murder, it is for theft for obvious reasons but even IF we lived in a society where no one was poor, people would still murder and rob others. i dont' believe that money is the goal in most cases of murder, from what i've seen it's usually retaliation, hate, or seemingly no reason.
     
  16. Cin Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp

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    Hate is created from the way a person is raised. Raise someone the right way, raise them to believe we're all equal, to love everyone, teach them their rights, the rights of others, how we need to work together in order to live civilly, they will never hate anyone for anything. Instead of trying to stop crime by putting negative labels on it or trying to stop it with laws and punishments, we should be looking for the root mental causes of hatred and trying to stop it. The fact is you CAN'T get rid of that hate in a system where people are raised to believe money and compeitition is needed in order to survive.

    Yes...there are some people that just kill for NO reason whatsoever. Those are called Psychopaths. They are rare. VERY rare.
     
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    I think economy and O-zone layer....
     
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