The Murder Of Another

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  1. Repliku Chaser

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    I agree with you. His life and what he does are in the hands of PAW and himself right now, as well as the forensics team that's obviously going to investigate.

    The reason I say to not do it is that it's as though he's turning himself in and also it puts himself in danger in 2 ways.

    1. Court - the family may be so mad at this murder and that the person came to say 'sorry' that they may set him up and tell the court he was trying to get out of 'murder' charges by fessing to the family and hoping it would be covered up. Most families, even if their kid or sibling is a drug dealer, aren't going to say 'well they deserved it' in face of a person that killed the person. Instead, they will normally be mad even if they know what this guy was doing.

    2. They may be enraged enough to try to kill or hurt this friend very badly if he goes to talk face to face.

    Either way, the chances of him being turned in are very high, and it won't have the same power and effect this person would want. He'd be tossing his choice to the wind and letting others take over and twist his words and deed around. He's far better off to turn himself in and let the law protect him and the family etc. I know it sounds weird but consulting the family is the -last- thing he should do unless they want to talk to him while he is in prison or he confesses to them after he's turned himself in.
     
  2. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    I haven't been a kid in many years, CtR
    I have the body of a teen but the mind of someone passed my years, but I wouldn't want anyone to have my life, it wouldn't be good for them.

    I meant if he did turn himself in eventually, I know if he told the family, something would go wrong, obviously, but it might be heplful for the family and himself, just a thought, I can't really think straight at the moment

    I do, which is most worrying to me, I have to think, one of the toughest decisions I will probably ever make.
     
  3. N Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Well, dear, I can understand you trying to comfort a friend, but, by the law, you should report this murder. But, are you entirely sure that this is correct? If so, then go ahead and help your friend turn himself in or just go ahead a report the murder. Killing isn't right and should not be hidden; I know you guys are probably great friends but this is unnatural death and something should be done about it. When these things happen your friend never gets hurt but you. I don't know what else to tell you but go ahead and do what's right.
     
  4. Repliku Chaser

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    I understand now, and yeah, if he does the right thing, he may wish to apologize to the family and I think that's a positive maneuver if he goes forth and confesses. Again, I hope you both do what's right even if it hurts and you'll both be okay.
     
  5. Roxas is Hot I'd lick his Sea Salt stick anytime. ♥

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    I agree with muffin man.


    The act he pulled off was uncalled for and was against the law. Something to that extent should be taken care of. It's unfair for the victim and the family if it's left as a secret.
     
  6. Star_Seeker King's Apprentice

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    D: PAW, I can't believe the situation you're in! I feel so bad for you and your friend.

    Your friend was defending one of his customers, right? That's understandable, and I don't think he intentionally killed that drug-dealer...right? But it still happened, and either way, unfortunatly, there isn't going to be a positive outcome. The last thing you want to do is keep it a secret though! That'll only get both of you in more trouble. If you kept it a secret, someone would eventually find out, and you'd be in serious hot water.


    Discuss things with your friend, and try to convince him that the best option is to tell the police. The murder was an act of defence, so at least he's not some bloodthirsty killer, right? And if this drug-dealer was really dangerous, then he'd just end up in jail anyway. Was it an accident? If it was, then the police can't be that harsh on you guys. But seriously think things through!

    That's all I got for ya, buddy. Good luck. :(
     
  7. White_Rook Looser than a wizard's sleeve.

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    ...Baiting it on a forum is bad form in my opinion.
     
  8. Cia (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*.✧*.✧

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    ... and you posted this on a forum.


    and Rook beat me to it.
     
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    1. Is keeping a secret of someone murdering another person, right or wrong of me?
    In my opinion, it isn't the right thing to do, but I understand. If you absolutely have to say something, tell someone you trust, and don't break your promise.
    You've been friends for a long time, right? Keep it that way.

    2. Should I have done anything something else?
    I can't think of anything else I would have done. You were really calm and mature about it.

    3. What should I do now?
    I think you should help your friend the best you can. Tell him your thoughts, but he needs to do the final decision making by himself.

    4. What would you do, if in my position?
    If it were my friend, I'd find a way to cheer them up or make them laugh. It helps to clear your mind so you can think better. It doesn't work for everyone, though, and some people just get annoyed by it. You should know better than anyone if it would help your friend.

    Just, don't let this situation control your life. The last thing I would do would be keep it a secret forever, because that just eats away at you until you can't take it anymore, and then things just get worse.

    Hope I helped somehow ^^.
     
  10. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    No offense, White_Rook and HigherBeing, but telling me its stupid of me to put a thread up about how to help my friend, then I wouldn't want to be a friend of yours. Your not in my situation, I am trying to do what I can to help him, and you don't think its bad enough for me to tell other people, I am so confused and dazed I haven't had any good sleep over this, I feel **** enough as it is, don't tell me it was a bad idea to put up a thread, since all I want anymore is a good ending for a bad predicament.

    I thank everyone who as put their input in, i have talked to him today and he will leave it a week to think it over before making a decision he'll stick with, so if anyone else does want to put any input in, it's still a good idea, and thank you all once again.
    I might tell everyone how it goes in the end, but I don't think I will, it just depends wat happens in the end.
     
  11. White_Rook Looser than a wizard's sleeve.

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    I never said it was stupid, I only said it was bad form. If it's a personal friend the business is simply between the two of you and anyone else within the circle of understanding (i.e. other friends of your friend). They simply know him and you better. Posting it on a forum not only created a sketchy image of your friend but yourself. Coming on here I could've assumed you're friend is willing to kill for drugs and that you harbour criminals.

    My point was that matters within "the family" should stay within the "family", and that there's a difference between not knowing with discretion what to do and mere foolishness. Helping him isn't an issue it's how you go about doing it

    I mean really, what do you need other people telling you what their own view of the right thing to do is anyway? Especially when in the end you do what YOU feel is right. If I haven't been in your situation, they obviously haven't either. If he's a dear friend you'll find a way to hide him or any communication between the two of you should the police come around, and if not you do what you can to stay out of the situation. But since he's a close friend you're obviously going to do what you can help
     
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    i would get him to confess he might get less time if he is caught.
    and my dad has been in jail for 15 years(i'm 17 yaeh it sucks) for a murder he didn't commit.
    so find out the details and get him to confess.
    but then again i don't know the laws that are in place where you live...
     
  13. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    Think of me as you will White_Rook, I have my own problems, my own troubles, stuff i am not proud of, stuff I don't wish on any man, but my friend is NO killer for drugs, he fought to protect someone being attacked by this drug-dealer, insult my reputation but not his, he did what was right, he didn't mean to kill someone, he never planned this, he helped someone and in the end, he has to live with that guys face in his head for the rest of his life, knowing yhe has killed someone is not an easy burden to hold, so I have decided I will help him all I can, whatever his choice because he did what any person should do, protect another.

    And I may have told the world about my friend, but he doesn't have anyone in his life, and I fell helpless by myself, no-one on here knows me in life, knows who my friend is, where I live, not my apperance, nothing, I just wanted some help, because I know you can't do things by yourself, so i thought I needed something.
    Who can I trust?
    I can't anymore.
     
  14. White_Rook Looser than a wizard's sleeve.

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    I never said I was judging you. It's the simple fact that I could've construed any number of possible images of who the two of you are because of the basic anonymity of the context-- which in hindsight I can see why you would ask for advice behind a pseudonym. My point was that subjective morality from a group of people in the end will never have as much effect on you as what you believe.
     
  15. Repliku Chaser

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    If he defended someone else, then there is a chance that someone else might figure this out too. It seems if this is the case, he'd be much better turning himself in and even has witnesses perhaps that this other guy was a serious threat. I hope he does the right thing.

    I see what Rook means in what he's telling you. He isn't bad mouthing you but telling you his thought that if it was a real secret, you wouldn't post it on a forum where others might see. There have been some murders and I think even the VA one with the guy that shot up a bunch of kids at VA tech had written about it in a vampire blog or something. I see what he's getting at so if something really serious happens, next time for your own safety you might want to pm people instead that you trust and ask advice. It's a risk putting it here and also people -can- draw their own conclusions off of what little was said. He's right that some of us might with what little information we had, have assumed that this guy was just trying to off some drug dealer in his turf or something. It happens often enough. He's not putting -you- down. He's just saying it was bad form to do. If you disagree with that, you do and it's no reason to really argue more about it from either side.
     
  16. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    Like I said, I don't care about myself. Scould my choices but not his, thats all I ask. I am sorry if I seemes over the top, I am just very emotional at the moment, I am sorry if I have disrespected anyone, and hope not to do so in the future.

    and I know creating a topic on this might of been the wrong thing, but lately, I have no one on here I can discuss problems with anymore, I know others have their own problems, and wouldn't like to depend on their opinion only, thats why I started a thread, as much as I didn't want to.

    Just, I should be able to handle something like this, at least I think I should, I don't know, I don't know anything anymore...
     
  17. Repliku Chaser

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    It's a rough situation. Hang in there, PAW. I think anyone in the same situation would feel lost and confused and well, frustrated.
     
  18. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    Its made me think, at the least, about life, choices, morality, and so on.

    Maybe I should start some more threads on them.

    and thanks repliku, it means alot coming from you, my friend.
     
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    Tell someone, but apologize to your friend. It's the right thing to do.
     
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    PAW, you need to do something about this. you got yourself way too far into the tunnel. If you hide him, you may just break a law as in, harboring a runaway. If it really was accidental, you should talk to counselor, somebody, who may just understand what's going on. your parents may not seem an option, but think it over, you need to do something about this. You really don't deserve to go to jail, and neither does he, from what I've read.

    It's kind of what I'm thinking, like when my close friend alexis told me her mom went to jail again, and that her mom gets drunk every night. she has a seven year old brother, and she's scared as hell. I have to have an approval from her mother before she can run off to my house on one of those nights, or my mother would be breaking the law.

    I really want you to put thought of law into what you're doing. Like I said, you need to talk to someone...
     
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