Birth by Sleep The info on Birth by Sleep

Okay, before I start, I've been researching alot. So I know most of the info. Here it goes


The whole BBS thing started when the KH2 secret scene was found. It showed Terra, Ven, and Aqua picking up the most powerful keyblades in this giant keblade field. They were right in the middle. Then once they had them, they noticed Master Xehanort (main enemy of BBS) walking toward them. That's when this rumor of Kingdom Hearts 3: Keyblade War started. Which sadly, isn't coming out.


Then came the KH2FM secret ending. Which was way more detailed then the first one. You see Master Xehanort walking toward them, like he's trying to make a brawl. He then (while still walking) summons his apprentace, who's face is unknown. So it's 2 on 3. So, Ven gets mad and tries to after, but Terra holds him back, and goes after them himself. It was a long battle. All three of there faces were revieled. Ven/Roxas looks..like Roxas. He gets frozen. Aqua, who is this blue haired girl, stays with Aqua. And Terra, a brown haired knight, who's eyes turn yellow. The reason Master Xehanort had to defeat them all, so they wouldn't bother him while he was recreating Kingdom Hearts. And the whole fight was saw by Mickey. But Birth by Sleep takes place 10 years before KH1. Thats how we know, Mickey didn't send the message in a bottle for that reason.


Now with the game. In Birth by Sleep, Terra, Ven, and Aqua go around worlds, visiting the 7 princesses. Defeating heartless, and stuff. There are some new worlds, and some old worlds. Like Enchanted Dominion and Castle of Dreams. Just trying to defeat Master Xehanort. But, Malephacent is envolved too. For some reason, Xehanort has some kind of connection with Ven. There always after him. So, his apprentice battles Ven, and defeats him. So Terra gets really mad. And fights Xehanort to get him back, cause I think Xehanort took Ven. We think Malephacent is the one who's summoning the heartless. Not sure though.


Anyways, Xehanort dissapears, so Terra goes to tis one creek place, where there's all these spikes, to search for Ven. Aqua's worried sick. I think he gets Ven back, but not by defeating Xehanort. Anyways, they go to Destany Islands where Ven sees Sora and Riku practicing there skills. So that gives Ven the idea to ask terra, "Erase me." Meaning get rid of my memory, so thats how he IS Roxas, and was sent to the Organization XIII.


Thats really what I've got so far.

 

I don't think Ven IS Roxas. Certainly they have some connection, but BBS is set 10 years before the first KH. So that would make Ven/Roxas like 30 years old by the second KH. So that doesn't really work.

 

Well, I watched this thing on JUMP VESTA and Ven said erase me, so he probably is Roxas

 

there will be no heartless. they fight unbirths.

 

Birth By Sleep is set 10 years before KH1, there are no heartless to fight, there are unbirths.
Your theory might be possible, though. But where would Ven/Roxas be before Sora's emo-stabbing incident that gave birth to Sora's nobody? And wouldn't Ven, if he is Roxas, according to your theory, have no heart, since he'd be Roxas, a nobody?
Sorry if i'm making no sense. xD;;

 

They've already stated that Ven is not Roxas

 

This is right. They said Ven was not Roxas but a completely new character. He still has a relation to Sora though.

Not only that but TheCrownedRoxas, I think that the fight of TVA and MX takes place towards the end of the game...I doubt its the beginning.

 

Who's THEY? The noobs who make up stuff, or Square Enix. I researched ALOT. And the facts said that Ven IS Roxas, that got erased and turned into a nobody.

 

Excuse me, I think you might need a correction. Those "noobs" you talk about should be the ones that think Ven is Roxas, Nomura stated so himself they're two seperate beings.
/lmfao just remembered

 

ok what are these "facts" of yours? Ven being Roxas is a theory with little following. "erase me" can mean anything especially in the world of Kingdom Hearts where there is an endless amount of different ways to say die or kill.

 

I'm not sure if this is true, but in KH2FM the translated version of what Terra says, he says he can feel Ven when he sees Sora. It might not be exactly what he says, but it's pretty close. If were having a big fight here, why not just close the thread, instead of some person coming and says "You guys are so inmiture. We don't know everything. One person could be right, one could not" You guys might not be right, and I might not be right.

 

Well, technically, if Roxas was Ven, he would be 21 by the second KH, not thirty. Otherwise that would mean there were ten years between KH one and two, which would make Sora twenty-four in KH2. But anyway, it's already been confirmed that Roxas and Ven are not the same person. I'm stuck on this Ven mystery. It's clear that Roxas, Ven and Sora are all connected somehow (of course, pretty much everyone in this game is connected to Sora), but Ven doesn't seem to be a nobody. Since we know he's not blood related to Sora, it's got to be some kind of thing we haven't heard of before.

 

Alright, I don't mean to totally drag you down, but I just want to clarify a few things so that you do better in your future theories:

1.) You don't fight Heartless in BBS - you fight Unbirths. Neither Heartless nor Nobodies existed back then as Xehanort had not created the first purebred Heartless at the time.

2.) I'm pretty sure Maleficent's main goal is the obvious: Take the Seven Princesses to rule all worlds. We also see that she's trying to lure Terra closer into the darkness, kinda like what she did with Riku... As for the Unbirths, they seem to contain too much power for Maleficent to handle, therefore she might not have authority over them.

3.) Possibly your biggest flaw: Ven ISN'T Roxas. Roxas is Sora's Nobody - created right when Sora stabbed himself with the Keyblade. I just need to emphasize that point since Nomura has confirmed it so (albeit indirectly).

This next bit of proof may spoil you a bit for 358/2 Days, so proceed with caution:

Spoiler

On day 354, Xigbar (who obviously has connections to Terra, Aqua, and Ven) sees Xion as Ven before fighting her. I won't completely spoil it, but Xion has a certain connection to Sora, and every person views her differently depending on their connection with her. Roxas and Axel can see her without her hood since they are good friends, other members can only see her hooded, and Xigbar can see her as Ven. This proves that Ven has more of a connection with Sora than with Roxas - Roxas just assumes the appearance of Ven. Here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZwk5zc71yg&fmt=18

 

I hope we have an understanding.

 

Well, Heartless did exist back then but they were in really small numbers because Xehanort created the Emblem Heartless and mass produced them, but that's irrevelant to the topic at hand.

I wonder if the other apprentices will make an appearance? Or a younger Leon?

 

I doubt that. He's in Traverse Town because the Heartless destroyed his world. And as we've noticed, they're not making FF exclusive worlds. So I don't think that'll happen.

 

He went to Traverse town after the Heartless destroyed Hollow Bastion 9 years before KH1, BBS is 10 years before KH1

 

Lol, I was kind of exaggerating on the age, but either way Roxas isn't that old. I agree, the connection must be something we can't explain, because it's a new thing.