The Bar

Hopefully this comes out right, here goes: "the bar" is sort of a marking point for acceptable standards. Hence when someone says: "the bar" has been raised, they are meaning tha tthe acceptable standards have been raised. Anyways, I was wondering whether "the bar" for society has been raising or lowering as time passes by. This topic is pretty broad but do you think the bar is being set higher and higher for society or do you think it's getting lowered? I hope that came out right......

 

I get what you're saying.
And I think society's on a downhill roll.

We have our presidential canidates getting supporters by trashing their opponents, and then we have criminals that commit murder, yet aren't given the death penalty.
I personally think that the US's standards have gone down painfully low.
Don't get me wrong, I love this country and I'm happy to be here rather than anywhere else, but with pretty much watching America's downfall, I think that "the bar" is being lowered more and more to cater to laziness.


And I'm not sure how to reply to your poll question...you give a "this or that" question, but provide "yes or no" answers.
<_>

 

Well society's standards change with those that contribute to it. Granted there is always decay of what we consider society, but the bar is subject to the people at a specific time. Many things that were once thought to be social taboos are now acceptable. In focusing purely on whatever we can find and deem as corruption we end up blowing some issues into something much bigger. Take the current crusade against video games. Con-advocates place violence in them as a rip in the moral fabric of society, when the kink in the chain starts much earlier.

 

the bar is on the floor

like people curse, shout at elders, have intercourse at like 12, drink...etc

like Generation Y is just too reckless - (even though im in generation Y)

 

i agree with that. like nowadays ppl over the age of 20 living with their parents doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore. but i'm starting to think maybe the bar is lowering a little bit becuz for example the law seems to be ALOT more lenient on crime now.

 

Also, my dad's 50 and he says that education has been dummed down a lot since he was at scoll. People are just getting dummer and dummer.

 

...lol.

Um...guys. This "bar", doesn't exist. It never will, because standards are a constant variation, based on time, place, culture, and upbringing. There's so many different views on society these days that there's no set standard, and there never has been. What are problems today, have been problems at some point in the past. Like teenage sex for example. It was incredibly common for kids to start having sex at ages earlier then 14 in ancient civilizations such as Egypt, as well as in the middle ages of Europe, as well as China in the feudal era, as well as TODAY in western civilization. Those are 4 very different time periods, in 4 very different locations. There was no real standard back then, because most social ettiquette wasn't established. Ettiquette has come and went, the world changes everyday. Kind of like the views of perspectivism, one mans treasue is another's trash, one man's lifestyles are another's taboo. There's so much contradiction and difference and variation, there's no way to set a bar anywhere. And a bar that doesn't exist, can't be lowered or heightened.

 

very good point, but standards DO exist for every civilization, they might be viewed differently by other civilizations but the civilizations that made those standards abide by them and use it to judge others. so i wouldn't say a bar doesn't exist at all, i would say it would be different for every culture/civilization which is always changing as time goes on

 

I totally agree with what Cin said.

Standards vary from person to person. The government has a set of standards, and people in the suburbs and those in housing estates do. There is not 1 set bar..

England has a whole hasn't really changed in terms of behaviour over the years. Like for instance binge drinking. It's a common problem in the England since we are one of the worst nations in Europe for drinking problems. People say it's been on the up and is a recent problem. But that is far from the truth. Binge Drinking has been a problem for hundreds of years, it's in our culture. There have been reports from the past saying about people drinking on the street and things like that. There was a programme about it a year ago, I forgot some of the reports an notes said in the past but some traits you find these days can easily date back to the 17th century and maybe even further back.

 

I have no idea whatsoever what the bar is. I just voted i really don't know.

 

That just implies a relativity about the topic at hand; standards vary and change. The bar exists and at the same time it doesn't, and this all depends on where your looking and how you feel about it. To bring up your earlier example, just as you feel that laws are becoming far too lenient someone can argue that they're too harsh. Why, for example, does Texas think that there is justice in executing criminals?

 

Well, look at the united states. More gun violence, more pollution, and more drug use. And most of the music out there (I'm talking about that **** you hear at your middle school dance) is rap that has VERY bad influences. They sing about sex, whores, and drugs. Are we raising the bar for 12-14 year olds to listen to that crap in SCHOOL?! Seriously, we need to change, and hope to god everyone turns out like Evilman and Erkz and all the other coders, smart people that know how to use technology.

 

Rap is a business and sex happens to sell to the rabid, hormone-driven masses often referred to as young teens. It's all in how you look at it. Hip hop is actually a wonderful sub-culture with a rich history and vibrant talent. Looking at the negative aspects of it skews your point of view and causes you to generalize (i.e. by calling it all crap). There are two sides to every coin. In Switzerland polution is at a minimum. Gun violence, crime and drug use are virtually non-existent.

 

I was trying to say the kind of music I hear at the dances in my school. They only have songs like 'soulja boy' and stuff. I'm not saying ALL rap is bad, just some. The kind I hear in school.

 

I'd give the school credit. At least they're trusting that the kids at their schools are smart enough to know the things int hose songs are for entertainment purposes only. It's a dance, where you're supposed to have fun. They want you to have fun, so they give you music that they know kids listen to, wether it be on the radio or computer or tv. Would you rather have them do the bunny hop?

I'll let that sink in...XD

 

well yea i guess, it exists yet it doesn't. but what i'm REALLY wondering is whether ppl think it's going up and down, not really the existence of it

EDIT: OH F**K i just noticed the poll options dont' match the question! FAWK, how stupid of me! is there a way to change this? i meant to say "Raising" and "dropping" instead of yes and no, GOD I AM STUPID

 

Like I stated in my post. If it doesn't exist, it can't rise or drop. You first need to be, before you can go off doing other verbs.

 

^^^ be what? i'm not following:stupid:

:D thx. i know what u mean but the way u say it makes it sound liek you're generalizing, you should choose ur words more carefully cuz some ppl in Intelligent Discussion are really **** about that and assume ur generalizing.

very good point

EDIT: is there a way to change the poll options?