Kingdom Hearts II The Awakening (a theory to end all theories)

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  1. Kanji Traverse Town Homebody

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    FOREWORD :

    -First, I have to give credit to libregkd, NEGAmanZZZ, Kakumei_no_Kaze, and Kamaya_the_1337 for the possession theory, and to HigherBeing for the Chasers as an organization.
    -Second, for the names and abbreviations : X is Xehanort, XH is Xehanort’s Heartless ; Larry is the tall knight (the ES), Ven is the boy knight who gets frozen, and Aqua is the girl knight ; I believe you all know Baldy, but it’s the bad guy with XH’s clothes ; DK (Dark Knight) is the guy “summoned” by Baldy ; Sunset Horizons is KH2’s secret ending, and Fate of the Unknown is KH2FM’s secret ending.
    -Third, I know this is a really long post, but it’s got to be long for the theory to be
    all-encompassing. To facilitate the reading, I have divided it in “chapters”.
    -Fourth, there are probably some errors, loops and things I’ve forgotten (if not many…). So if you see any, post to tell me, I’ll fix the main text.
    -And last, don’t be fooled by the boasting title of the topic and the fact I’ll use present tense : this is and remains a theory, it does not nullify any other theories and I may very well be completely wrong. We’ll see when the game actually comes out.


    THE AWAKENING :

    So here’s the theory that started the bigger one. When, in Sunset Horizons, the Chasers were evoked, many people assumed it was another special type of being, like the Heartless and the Nobodies. Well it’s only partially true. There is a third special being, but it is not the Chasers : they are the Awakened. First let’s remember how existence works in the KH Universe : there is the body, the mind (intellect, thought and memories), and there’s the heart (emotions, feelings and willpower). Now let’s remember also what happens when you die in KH : your body dies, your mind vanishes and most importantly, your heart joins Kingdom Hearts and is merged in this “paradise dimension” (the one XH talked about in his Reports, and which he searched), where all hearts are born and must return. There, since you have no mind anymore, you lose all self-awareness, all sense of individuality and the only that is left is a feeling of serenity and completion. Like Christian heaven, you lose yourself in Kingdom Hearts/God/Paradise. The heart in KH is like the soul in Christianity.

    The Awakening is what happens when a heart becomes powerful enough to exist on its own, without a body or a mind. The Heartless are a form of incomplete awakening : a Heartless is a heart filled with darkness, without a body or a mind, but that can still act physically, as if it had a body ; but since darkness enslaves them, they can’t think and so are not truly awakened. An Awakened is a heart that thinks and acts on the physical level.

    Now where did I get this idea, you ask ? Well first, let’s take a look at X, his Heartless and his Nobody : X always wanted knowledge, more than anything ; he experimented on the secrets of the Heart and was determined enough to become a Heartless and a Nobody. XH was always looking for a paradise dimension, for Kingdom Hearts, and for the truth of the universe. And it is said that Xemnas often goes to the Room of Sleep, and a Room of Awakening is mentioned. Then after Axel has died, Xemnas says it is possible that through Sora’s heart, Axel may have “awakened”. This “Awakening” seems to be the purpose of X’s research, and of all his other forms.

    This would explain :
    -why XH could think and plan. A Heartless is a heart filled with dark instincts, impulses and feelings : without a mind, it can’t think. But XH could, he was intelligent and cunning, but could not act physically, as if he traded the physical power for mental power. To do that, he must have had a great mastery of his heart’s power.
    -why the Heartless can act physically even though they’re only masses of feelings and raw spiritual power. The power of a Heartless’ dark feelings gives him physical strength, but anger and hate are confusing feelings, that cloud the thoughts and blind you : a heart that is filled only with them cannot create a coherent mind.
    -why Xemnas can speak to Aqua’s empty armor in the Room of Sleep. That’s because she has partially awakened : though her body’s dead, her heart was strong enough to avoid being absorbed by Kingdom Hearts. It also allows her to think and communicate, like it had a mind.
    -why Larry can fight Sora and speak to him as the ES : he has completely awakened, so his heart is powerful enough to think, talk and animate his armor. Maybe his armor is empty, like Aqua’s, but moves thanks to the power of Larry’s heart. Or maybe he has created a new body for himself.
    -how Kairi suddenly had two bodies and minds : the ones we saw in KH1 and the ones that formed Naminé. Since Kairi is a Princess of the Heart, her heart is strong enough to manage something like an awakening, even though she’s probably not conscious of it. Same thing goes for Sora, who regained a body and a mind after becoming a Heartless, with help from Kairi : his heart “created” new ones, while the original formed Roxas.

    The “Birth by Sleep” principle can also be explained with the idea of the Awakening. To be Awakened is to be immortal, obviously, since it’s only the body that dies and the mind that vanishes : the heart is immortal, it never dies, it only changes. There is often this idea in fiction, that the first step to immortality is to accept death. True immortality lies in the afterlife, because it is eternal : the only problem is that when you die, your heart joins Kingdom Hearts and you lose all self-awareness. You only exist as a part of Kingdom Hearts, not as an individual. The Awakening is immortality with individuality. But for your heart to become independent, you first have to let go of your mind and body : you must have the courage to take the leap. And death is always, and I mean always, compared to sleep (Hypnos and Thanatos, for you Saint Seiya fans) : you can’t awaken if you did not go to sleep, and you can’t be reborn as a higher being if you didn’t die. In the Room of Sleep, Aqua’s heart is probably in the process of transcending, already able to simulate a mind, but not a body. In the Room of Awakening, there may be Ven who is near complete Awakening, or has already achieved it and is imprisoned.

    This Awakening is the true power of the heart Ansem and Xehanort never truly understood, because they relied too heavily on their mind, not realizing what power emotions, willpower and the heart held. This is kind of like the traditional opposition between science and spirituality. However, Xemnas suggested that Axel may have awakened thanks to Sora’s heart : how could that be since he was a Nobody, without a heart to transcend ? My guess is that it is somewhat possible for a mind to transcend and to create a heart. After all, we’ve all seen that members of Organization XIII had strong personalities ; one of the videos of KH2FM suggests that they act like they have hearts, pretending they feel something ; Saïx also said Nobodies perfectly remembered what it was like to have a heart. It is possible that a mind can convince itself it feels something, and pretend so well that in the end, actual feelings are born. But that could not happen on its own : the mind can’t actually create something just by thinking really hard about it. On the other hand, Axel was linked to Sora’s heart through his friendship with Roxas : they both made him feel like he had a heart. And when he died, and went to sleep, it is very probable that a heart was created thanks to his thoughts and Sora/Roxas’ feelings, and that he managed to awaken.

    THE KEYBLADE :

    The question is the asked : how do you reach the Awakening ? By making your heart stronger. And who are the guys whose hearts are always shown as the strongest ? The keyblade masters.

    To me, the keyblade is much more than just a weapon : it is a force in its own right, a mystical power. Yet it doesn’t have that much incredible abilities : in fact the only power a keyblade has is to unlock or lock things. But that power can do something tremendous : it is able to unlock a heart’s potential. It can make its master a true hero, if his heart holds this potential, like it did to Sora and Riku. Only those whose heart is strong are chosen to be keyblade masters : Kairi was able to use one because she is a Princess of the Heart.

    If you noticed, in the game the keyblade masters always cast their spells through their keyblade : it is the source of their power. The keyblade isn’t just a weapon, it is a focus, something that canalizes the heart’s power ; Final Form is said to reveal the true power of the keyblade : when in Final Form, Sora can move his keyblades without even touching them, only with the power of his heart ; the ES can do incredible things with his keyblade, riding it like a jet bike or shooting great orbs of energy from it : that’s because he is awakened and his heart has revealed all its potential.

    The keyblade is also said to bring both chaos and order ; it isn’t a force for good or evil : that depends entirely on the master of the keyblade. A bit paradoxical when you remember KH1 : the keyblade was shown as a weapon of light, locking keyholes and defeating Heartless. Well it’s more subtle than that : a keyblade draws its power from the heart. That is why it is able to free the hearts of the Heartless it destroys. What the keyblade fights is not darkness itself : it is the fact that excessive darkness confuses and enslaves the heart, making it lose control and actually weakening it. The darkness holds great power, but it is a dangerous power that can overcome you : when a heart is filled with darkness, it cannot achieve complete Awakening. And it seems the keyblade’s purpose is to unlock a heart’s potential. Whether keyblade masters fight for good or evil doesn’t matter to it : what matters is that his heart doesn’t give in and lose control. Darkness is not a wrong road, it is only a risky one : Riku is a good example of keyblade master who uses darkness without losing his heart to it.

    THE CHASERS AND THE KEYBLADE WAR :

    The keyblade thus seems to be the fastest way to the Awakening. And in my opinion, that is why there were so much keyblade masters in the past. Because many people were searching for the Awakening at the time : maybe they did not know exactly what it was, but they were looking for something, as we all are. For truth, for illumination, for power, maybe for the ability to retrieve the heart of a dead loved one from Kingdom Hearts…They were all chasing this power of the heart’s potential, and their determination enabled them to use the keyblade. They were Chasers of the Awakening. And like always when two people look for the same thing, they will probably compete over it. So what do you think that makes when there are so many people looking for the same thing ? Bingo, a war.

    The Keyblade War was a conflict between all the Chasers ; it may have started because of enmity between them, maybe because Baldy set up the war to have to power all to himself, or maybe because there could be only one that would achieve the Awakening. But in the end, they all killed each other ; their keyblades remained because their hearts were all partially awakened, lingering in existence and refusing to fade in Kingdom Hearts. All died but four : Larry, Ven, Aqua and Baldy. Three heroes and a man so hell bent on obtaining ultimate knowledge that he was willing to do the vilest things. A mad scientist. An evil seeker of knowledge. And then Fate of the Unknown happens.


    XEHANORT :

    First off, do you remember how Nomura said all characters in Fate of the Unknown were completely new ? Well going from that, I tell you : X is not part of those characters. He’s not Larry or Baldy. X doesn’t really appear until Ansem the Wise finds him in the streets of Radiant Garden. To me, X is Baldy’s heart (and maybe his mind) in Larry’s body. There are two ways of explaining it.

    The first is the possession theory (insert image). The idea is that Baldy considers his body too old and frail (like XH, who cast off his body to embrace the darkness, like he said in his Reports), and wants another, younger one. His first choice is Larry’s body, probably because he’s the best of the three knights. The idea is that he takes the body by transferring his heart and his mind into it, while locking away or suppressing Larry’s heart and mind. Now let’s remember XH wanting Riku’s body as his own : the only way he achieved the possession was because Riku gave in to darkness. So how does Baldy do it, since Larry is his enemy and will probably resist ? Well either he uses the power of Kingdom Hearts, or he takes advantage of Larry’s hate and anger (feeling that spawn darkness). But something goes wrong ; it could be that Larry was resisting. The consequence is that Baldy’s memories are erased during the transfer.

    The second theory is very similar. The idea is mainly that Baldy had already tried to possess Larry (which explains his hatred for X, for Baldy’s heart and mind, they have a past enmity when Fate of the Unknown happens), but it is not his purpose in Fate of the Unknown. His purpose is to access Kingdom Hearts in order to transcend and reach the Awakening : to do that, his heart must separate from his body and mind. But in this process, Larry tried to stop him by actually doing the same thing. And somehow, while they fight it all gets messed up and topsy-turvy : Baldy’s heart ends up in Larry’s body, and his mind as well, only without the memories. This explanation may be better because of this simple fact : if Baldy’s plan was to obtain Kingdom Hearts and to transcend, why did he need a new body ? Hence this theory, which is pretty much the same as the former, except the transfer happened by accident, not because of a plan by Baldy.

    I personally assume that Larry’s heart is cast aside, and that Ven and Aqua are killed. Some time later, a man wakes up in the streets of Radiant Garden, with Larry’s body, a heart which lacks moral compass like any villain’s and a genius mind, but without any memories. The name he gives himself is Xehanort : take “Another” and add an X for Unknown, you have this guy who’s in substance a new man who doesn’t know anything about his past. This explains :
    -his yellow eyes, which are the mark of someone who has been tainted by the power of darkness. Xemnas and X had yellow eyes, as had Xigbar and Saïx, and also Ansem the Wise, who said in one of his reports that using the Corridors of Darkness too much was dangerous, as it tainted you. When Larry’s eyes become yellow, it shows him using darkness because he’s ready to do anything to stop Baldy. Unfortunately, that will be his downfall.
    -his inhuman talent and eagerness to learn, which he inherits from Baldy, who was apparently the same “mad scientist” type of guy. But we’ll come back to that later.
    -the fact Larry said he hated X before attacking Sora, even though his body greatly resembles X’s. Well that’s because it is his body, but not his mind or his heart. What you fight is only his empty armor and keyblade, animated by his heart.
    -Xemnas’ frequent talks with Aqua who’s locked in the Room of Sleep, and why he calls her “friend”. He’s trying to recover his memories so he can again try to achieve the Awakening, but at the same time it seems he recovers some of Larry’s memories : when he calls her friend, it’s both sincere (for Larry) and ironic (for Baldy).
    -the fact that Xemnas said he did not remember what it was like to have other feelings than anger or hate : first because the heart X had was Baldy’s, a heart already very tainted by darkness and negative feelings, and because of Larry’s memories, which are filled with thoughts of hate and grudge for Baldy. Xehanort is also an anagram for “No Heart” : X’s heart was already filled with darkness to begin with, always on the edge of becoming a Heartless.
    -why Xemnas was seen with an armor similar to the three knights’, in the final battle. That was probably a reminiscence from Larry’s past.

    TALES OF FUTURE PAST :

    Nomura said that Sunset Horizons and Fate of the Unknown happened both in the past and in the future (that’s why the knights’ armors look both medieval and futuristic). How can that be ? Because it shows a situation, a conflict that has happened in the past and that will repeat itself in the future. After all, Fate of the Unknown said “All the fates have been set”. What happened in the past will happen again in the future.

    Like I said in the chapter about X, it is possible that Baldy had already tried to possess Larry before. In fact, he had nearly succeeded, by making Larry open his heart to darkness and then transferring his own heart into Larry’s body. Only Larry managed to free himself in the end ; but for a moment, he was a creature of darkness, on the brink of becoming a Heartless, and a slave to Baldy, a man who had mastered darkness without losing his heart to it. And years later, when they met again during Fate of the Unknown, Baldy taunted Larry by “summoning” something that looks like Larry when he was nearly possessed : a being with a helmet that reminds that of a knight, but with clothes associated with darkness, as well as a keyblade which bears the symbol of the eye( maybe the evil eye), which we’ve already seen on Riku’s Soul Eater and Way to the Dawn (a keyblade that represents balance between light and darkness). Seeing this, Larry charges first, and when facing his dark reflect seems to hesitate : he takes a lightning spell in the face but remains there, only staring at his enemy. And in the end, to defeat his nemesis (Baldy), Larry will again use the power of darkness that nearly destroyed him before ; this desperate move will in the end lead them to the creation of Xehanort and the death of Aqua and Ven. Now doesn’t that whole mess remind you of someone ? Riku, of course

    In the future, it will happen again. XH said that Riku and him were very similar : they are in a way, since XH is related to Larry, and if you followed my version, Larry had a fate very similar to Riku’s. He also said he would return, since darkness was still there, creeping inside Riku’s heart. In the future, XH will actually return for a last battle against Riku, Sora and Kairi, who have grown up to become experimented Keyblade masters. And the same thing that happened to Larry will probably happen to Riku. Doesn’t that dark knight from Fate of the Unknown remind you of the Riku Replica ? Maybe it is him revived, or simply a Heartless summoned by XH.

    It may even be possible that the Keyblade War will happen again : 20 years after KW1 (Keyblade War 1), Keyblades appear again and choose masters, and someone is once again looking for the Awakening, namely X, then XH, then Xemnas. After all, how do we know the keyblades we’ve seen so far are the only ones ? We don’t know if there’s even a limit to their numbers. We don’t know anything about the origins of the keyblade. And if there are more and more keyblades, that means more and more Chasers, and that could mean KW2 (Keyblade War 2). Maybe that’s what Mickey’s letter is about : other keyblade masters appearing.

    Besides, we’ve seen how characters from the present time are on their way to Awakening ; one may wonder : when will they actually start looking for it ? Or maybe they won’t be looking for it. We’ve seen how XH may return, to once again search for ultimate knowledge : if a war happens, maybe our heroes will only enter it to stop XH, and inherit the armors from the hero predecessors. Maybe that is why Larry, Aqua and Ven were in KW1, maybe that was what made them heroes. How ironic right ? The guy desperately looking for a thing never achieves it, even in decades and with 4 separate existences (Baldy, X, XH and Xemnas), while the guys who never actually wanted it obtains it. Well, that’s heroes for you…

    To me Fate of the Unknown happens in the past, and Sunset Horizons in the future :
    -at the end of Sunset Horizons, we don’t see who the mysterious figure approaching is. It could be XH, not Baldy.
    -at the beginning of Fate of the Unknown, the three knights don’t have the keyblades their Sunset Horizons counterparts took at the crossroads.
    -the three knights in Sunset Horizons (Sora, Kairi and Riku in my opinion) come from three different roads, and pick three different keyblades. Those roads and keyblades correspond to three different realms : Sora’s Kingdom Chain is the keyblade from the realm of light ; Mickey’s Kingdom Chain is from the realm of darkness ; Riku’s Way to the Dawn represents balance between light and darkness, so it’s probably the keyblade from the realm of twilight. Which means the enigmatic figure comes from the fourth road, the realm of nothingness : no heart, no keyblade. But there I have a problem : if Larry corresponds to Riku, Ven to Sora and Aqua to Kairi…then Riku picks up Sora’s keyblade, Kairi picks up Mickey’s, and Sora picks up Riku’s…that is one of the only things I can’t include in my theory. I could use some help on that.

    The presence of Mickey in Fate of the Unknown is also problematic. There are several options :
    -he has somehow traveled to the past and witnessed Fate of the Unknown. He did this because he discovered clues to what happened exactly in the past, and has seen that it is beginning to happen again. X’s, XH’s and Xemnas’ researches are probably reminiscent of Baldy’s, and the appearance of Keyblades and Chasers points to an upcoming KW. When he returns, he sends a letter to Destiny Islands to warn Sora and Riku.
    -he witnessed Fate of the Unknown himself 20 years, just when he had finished his training with Yen Sid (that’s why he has the Star Seeker, which Yen Sid gives you in KH2) ; maybe he was a keyblade master that was not a Chaser, and that did not know much about the Awakening and the KW. But now that history repeats itself, he understands and warns Sora and Riku.
    -the Mickey we see in Fate of the Unknown actually belongs in Sunset Horizons. He hasn't traveled to the future, but witnesses himself the battle in the future, between XH, Sora, Riku and Kairi. He is about to join the battle, and brings a new keyblade, maybe the one from the fourth realm.

    I believe Nomura also said that the next game will happen both in the future and in the past : maybe we will see separately what leads to Sunset Horizons and what leads to Fate of the Unknown (namely the Keyblade War).

    CONCLUSION :

    Well that’s it for now folks. Any comments or developments ?
     
  2. dandanrevolutionextreme Banned

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    i didnt read any more then just these two sections. im sorry but its just so d*** long....



    contradictions to the theory:

    -first, yes, the mind CAN create things by just concentration. i dont know about a heart, but it still can. "try to hard to remember, and your memories will lie to you, creating false memories." -namine(i think), kh: com & re: com


    -next, in the first game, sora gets his keyblade stolen by riku and is forced to use that junky wooden sword, sora can still use magic. so it isnt just the keyblade.

    -third, just curious but how long did it take to post all of that?
     
  3. Kanji Traverse Town Homebody

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    Yes, I know it's long, I'm sorry, but that's why I divided it into sections, so you didn't have to read it all in one time.

    Yes the mind can create false memories, since memories are part of the mind in KH ; the heart is a different part of existence : Axel probably needed Sora's heart to reach the Awakening.

    Yes, Sora could use magic : the keyblade isn't required to do magic, but it often canalizes magic, since it's thanks to it that the keyblade master got his potential unlocked and learned magic.

    Well...I'd say I wrote it in less than 5 hours.
     
  4. tkato Merlin's Housekeeper

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    in a way in kingdom hearts everything is simple, even nobodies are simple, you just coverd it all with major thinking... it's good thinking but non the less i don't see that happening.
     
  5. dandanrevolutionextreme Banned

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    in the section labeled xehanort, you spoke of how, his name is just the word "another" with an X in it.

    -X(letter) is the symbol for saying not, or opposite

    other names:

    -roxas: sora x

    -xemnas: ansem x

    -xehanort: no heart x

    -xaldin: dilan x

    -xigbar: i grab x/ i brag x

    -marluxia: our arm i x

    -axel: ale x

    -luxord: u lord x

    -larxene: leaner x

    -zexion: i zone x

    demyx dye 'm x(i think its another way to say kill em, that or his hair
    isnt naturally blonde)
     
  6. Thir13en King's Apprentice

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    good theory, I mean really good.

    First off, how mickey was there

    Maybe Mickey did see the Fate of the whatever but he witnessed it in a hologram. You saw the techonolgy ansem had, maybe somehow someone recorded it. Or like you said, Xemnas (in order to get memories back) ripped Aquas memories from her heart and encoded it in data. Then Mickey found the data and watched it himself, what he saw mad him ferious which caused a keyblade to appear. Does that make sense?

    Second, where do you think these places take place you know, location.

    I personally think that these crossroads are in Disney Castle. Evidence...
    -when donald and goofy depart the castle they are thrown out of it under the world but where they were thrown out was a desert (most likely sunset horizons)
    -You fight Larrys armor here
    -The crossroads seems important so it should be located in important place (like DC)

    Not a lot of evidence but I think its pretty convincing
     
  7. O R A N G E C is the heavenly option

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    Actually...
    Zexion= Ienzo+x. Ienzo was Xemnas' youngest apprentice.
    And Xehanort is not only No Heart+X, but also Another+X. I'm absolutely sure this was done on purpose.
     
  8. Soushirei 運命の欠片

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    Just some semantics. XD

    KH2's secret ending is The Gathering, Final Mix+'s secret ending is Birth by Sleep. XD
     
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    OK, kinda long but I can see some points. The first sections are good but you go way wild with the Xehanort section...that just seems way off the hook.
    Also, I doubt the girl knight gets killed as you mentioned. To me it seems like she's the new protagonist...the way she's placed in the video.
     
  10. shingo_the_pest Destiny Islands Resident

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    That was wonderfully thought out and organized. Thank you. You've kept using the name Larry! :p Were you the one who first threw that name out as a joke?

    This was the first time it occured to me that Fate of the Unknown and Sunset Horizons could be two separate battles. The idea gave me a fit of excitement. The two secret endings are composed so that the audience automatically think one is a continuation of the other, but Nomura loves to trick us.

    You have a good argument for why the three knights in Sunset Horizons could be Riku, Sora, and Kairi. I strongly want to beleive it's them, but as you said, there's too much that doesn't add up. Let's try a new twist:

    We'll assume that Sunset Horizons and Fate of the Unknown are two separate battles. In Sunset Horizons, Sora, Riku, and Mickey's keyblades are there because they just fought XH, and lost. The knights that show up are actually Larry, Aqua, and Ven, and all three of them have Awakened. They will fight XH, in the same place where they lost before, but this time they're Awakened and have more keyblades. They might win this time.

    Along this line of thinking, the majority of the next game could deal with Sora and Mickey finding the Room of Sleep and the Room of Awakening.

    One thing you don't address is why Ven looks so much like Roxas/Sora. There must be a reason for it. :(
     
  11. Soushirei 運命の欠片

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    It's also important to remember that the next KH game is a new series/new line that will not be called Kingdom Hearts 3--therefore may not involve Sora or his friends in an overly important manner.

    I personally believe the next one will be a tale about Kingdom Hearts and the Keyblade and Xehanort, but all of this will have no bearing on Sora's Story. Nomura said "Sora will be needed when there's a Kingdom Hearts 3", thus Sora's Story is probably going to be on a pause for the next KH game until the true Kingdom Hearts 3 begins.

    Bottom line, I don't think Sora will be making any active progress in the next KH game. Even if he is mentioned, the game may end with Sora starting up his new adventure, after all is said and done with the story of the Knights and what it all really means.
     
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    This is all very complicated, and works, but is based off of a bunch of chained together, random ideas.
     
  13. Seek Merlin's Housekeeper

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    First off, I have to say great job on posting this Kanji.

    While reading this, I was pretty much in awe. This is because about around a week ago, I started to write down my ideas of this next game and what to expect. In your grand theory here, nearly all of my ideas and beliefs are touched on. And this is good to see in my eyes, mainly because I am a fan of your "Awakening" ideas. For a while now, almost all of your posts that I have read have been about the "Awakening", and I'm not going to talk about that really because I completely agree with it. But what I will say is that you tied these ideas up nicely in your theory, something I was on the verge of doing.

    Now, one of the main ideas I had going on around my head, and that I was going to post of before reading this thread, is that of what happened in the past will happen in the future. Many people forget, that Nomura has stated that in a sense, the secret videos take place both in past and future. I also believe like you that Fate of the Unknown takes place in the past, and Sunset Horizons takes place in the future or perhaps represents the future. Reason being is in Fate of the Unknown, the three keyblades Larry, Aqua, and Ven pickup in Sunset Horizons, are never seen. Also the sky is much darker in Fate of the Unknown, and we never see the oncoming person in Sunset Horizons.

    The reason I say Sunset Horizons could actually represent the future is this, the intro videos to both KHI and KHII. I think it is clear to many that these videos are filled with symbolism that portrays events in the games. So to me, Sunset Horizons shows what is to come for Sora's story. Remember that Nomura says "Kingdom Hearts" IS Sora's story. I think that is a clear reason why this next game will not be called KHIII.

    So something I want to add to is what I expect. In this next game there has to be a cliffhanger to lead on to Sora's story. This cliffhanger will be revealed by learning that there is still a part of Baldy around, so he will return OR perhaps Xehanort's Heartless will return for a final battle type deal, leading to the next true Kingdom Hearts game (KH3). Like you said, Tales of Future Past, the story will repeat itself, Sora, Riku, and Kairi take up arms to eliminate Baldys essence once and for all. Except unlike the past with Larry, Aqua, and Ven, they will not fail.

    Now some random thinking:
    Sora can mean sky. Ven can mean wind.
    Kairi can mean sea. Aqua means water.
    Riku can mean land. Larrys name could be derived from Solum or Terra?
     
  14. Kanji Traverse Town Homebody

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    First thanks for all the comments. I don't have much time, so I can't reply to everyone. For now I'll just say that Larry isn't the ES' name, and that I'm not the one who came up with it.
     
  15. Roxas- PARTYMAN MORE LIKE HOMOVAN 73M SUCK MY B****!

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    Long....but a really good theory.
     
  16. Kiryu Setsuna F. Seiei

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    I have to say this was well thought out. I espically agreed with the part about how in Sunset horizon they grab the keyblades but in Fate of the unknown they don't seem to have the keyblades anymore. Really good theory.
     
  17. Kristian the Hidden Merlin's Housekeeper

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    I believe this Larry that you speak of is the third Chaser, and by the fact that Xemnas goes to the Room of Sleep to see the suit of armour in KHII:FM, I believe that "Larry" is actually Xehanort.
    Also for the Organization names:

    Xehanort=No heart X OR Another X
    Xigbar=Braig X
    Xaldin=Dilan X
    Vexen=Even X
    Lexaeus=Aeleus X
    Zexion=Ienzo X
    Saïx=??? X
    Axel=??? X
    Demyx= ???? X
    Luxord= ????? X
    Marluxia= ??????? X
    Larxene= ?????? X
    Roxas=Sora X
     
  18. dandanrevolutionextreme Banned

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    before you ost, you should look at the other posts, i did the same thing as you on page 1
     
  19. Cia (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*.✧*.✧

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    *eyes fall out and on the floor*

    That is the mother of all theories. NICE JOB, Kanji. :cool: And thank you so much for giving credit. ^_^

    All of what you said, I agree except for some really small, microscopic things that don't really matter. ^_^'. I'd go deeper into it but I'm limited on time.

    Awesome job as always. I officially dub you:

    Kanji - Theory Guru
     
  20. Thir13en King's Apprentice

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    Amen Higher!
     
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