Birth by Sleep Terra/Xehanort Theory, plus a little Roxas/Ven

I strongly believe Terra is Xehanort from the past. And maybe Ven could be Roxas. Does anybody else think it could happen be true?
These are the cases that have made believe that is so:

1. Terra and Xehanort have a simillar hairstyle. Like the front of their hair is swept back up, and the bangs are on the sides. Something like that. Not to mention, their face seems similar, too. What actually sparked this theory to me is the 2nd Birth By Sleep movie in Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix + in the part when Terra takes of his helmet and the view closes up on him. When I saw his pupil were like burning, he really looked like Ansem, the heartless of Xehanort, to me. Just keep those burning orange eyes, and make the hair gray or white, and they really look alike. Check it out. Won't you think so?

2. The words "Memory of Xehanort" could be found in the Birth By Sleep movie in Kingdom Hearts 2. Ansem the Wise said he found Xehanort who has lost his memories. Birth By Sleep could be Xehanort's past, his memory. If so, Xehanort should have been there, and seeing the resemblance with Terra, it could be him.

3. Xehanort's heartless who was once called Ansem wore a very similar attire to the old Xehanort guy from Birth By Sleep. Assuming Xehanort/Terra took the identities of mentors or masters, then maybe, Xehanort's heartless took his master's identity as Ansem. I'm suggesting that in that sense, he may have done that in the past, too. Maybe Terra became a follower or gave into the Xehanort in Birth By Sleep and then took his name, which could be why 'Xehanort' is what he remembers when he was found later by Ansem the Wise

4. In the first Kingdom Hearts, while controlling Riku, he was able to create a keyblade (made up of hearts). Notice that it doesn't have a keychain. Terra's keyblade has no keychain either, thus giving more clues Ansem the heartless or Xehanort could have a connetion with Terra. Xehanort may have had the power to control the keyblade. Since he never used it while under Ansem the Wise, he may have used it further in the past, before he lost his memory, back when he probably was once called Terra.

5. Many more hints came to me in the new scenes of KH:FM+, specifically the scenes; one where Xemnas (who is Xehanort's nobody) goes into that secret room in Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden and finds the armor and keyblade of Aqua, and then says, "It's been a long time, my friend" He should be referring to Aqua. He couldn't have met Aqua just when he was still under Ansem the Wise. And it's not likely Xemnas would have met her. Aqua may have been dead since we see her keyblade is right there. But then, the armor and the keyblade could just be a representation of Aqua and she still exists. Not to mention, I also read something about a scene from some trailer or something of Terra watching Riku and Sora at Destiny Islands, and saying something like "Please erase me, my friend." He says "My friend." Coincidence? The other scene is the one that begins in when Zexion hears Vexen screaming, calling at him and then asks where Xemnas is. Zexion answers that Xemnas is in the "Room of Sleep". When Vexen leaves, another organization member is spotted, hooded. But, assuming with their conversation, the guy's figure and gestures, he could be Axel. Axel starts talking about the secret of Xemnas. "People with the blade of keys...", "...fought great battles (keyblade war?) "When they were gone, a man who had lost his memories appeared. Xemnas... No, Xehanort was taken in by Ansem around that time, was he not?" Then he says Xemnas goes down there and hears him talking to someone. It could be refering to the scene I mentioned earlier."With the 'Room of Sleep' comes the 'Room of Awakening'." If Aqua is in the Room of Sleep, Ven may be in the Room of Awakening, a room Axel claimed that Xemnas didn't make. Considering, Ven's and Roxas's resemblance, they also could have a strong connection. Roxas was said to be some special Nobody. What if Ven's body was Roxas, which awakened when Sora became a heartless, which could explain why how Roxas and Sora was able to exist at the same time. Ven's and Roxas's attires have similarities, too. But back to Xehanort/Terra, this means Xemnas has a connection to the three heroes in Birth By Sleep.
*EDIT 8/18/08: okay, it's not Axel. It's Xigbar? x)

6. I also think I once heard the battle with the enigmatic soldier in KH:FM+ was Xemnas testing Sora's abilities. If that's so, how could Xemnas know about Terra and his abilities?
*EDIT 8/18/08: ah, I got mixed up here! I mixed up the two secret bosses of KH 1 and 2. Okay, scratch that. But speaking of game elements, having Xemnas and Terra as secret bosses, maybe they have a relation?

7. I read about the trailer of Birth By Sleep in that DKΣ3713 thing... said something about a conversation between Ven and Aqua about Terra, about Terra succumbing to darkness to gain power. For Terra have a heart so strong to resist something like that, his heartless and his nobody could be living testaments of that, both in the strongest forms of heartless or nobody, those in a human form.

added 9/2/08:
8. If Terra and Xehanort had no connection, what history would Xehanort have? Would he be just some kind of guy who had an unknown past and becomes a heartless? What the heck

This is all I have for now, and I'm already tired typing. I dunno. I just love Kingdom Hearts and its mysteries, and I'm excited for the new titles to come out. If I have errors in what I've presented, please tell me
x)

Side notes (off-topic):
-Roxas once asked why the keyblade chose him. Maybe that's why he went out looking for Sora to find an answer. But then, Roxas has one keyblade at the start, which is the Kingdom Key. But then later, he has Oblivion and Oathkeeper. Maybe he got the other keyblade from the 14 Org. member, and maybe she has a connection with Kairi, since Oblivion's keychain is like Sora's necklace, and the Oathkeeper is Kairi's lucky charm. I'm sure the 14th member isn't Kairi's nobody though. With my theory of Roxas/Ven though, maybe she's the nobody of Aqua?

 

1. Definitely right there, they resemble eachother too much. It cant be a coincidence.

2. Yes, those are one of the things BBS is focused on doing.

3. Why Xehanort's heartless took Ansem's name is make people think he was Ansem, not because i he just wanted his master's name, and for the Terra takes the Xehanort name after losing his memory, that could be because he still feel's his hatred for Xehanort, and only had that name in mind, he really is obsessed with that name..XD.

4. The keychain should have nothing to do with it, Ven and Aqua's keyblades dont have a keychain either, we dont have VERY much info on the keychain things, but yeah..it could be...what if Sora remove's his keychain. what would happen? I think we'll see much more of that in the future.

5. He was definitely referring to Aqua there, and it isnt confirmed that she is dead. it was just 10 years ago, she must be still alive, if nothing happend to her in the keyblade war. About the Ven part saying ''erase me'' I doubt that was Terra at all, seeing the shadow of the one he was talking too...it must be someone else, i could be wrong though. It was a trailer, it could be very different scenes, but yeah, it's logical to think that its Terra he's talking too, but lets think out of the box. About the hearing voices, first of all, its was Xigbar who heard voices and talked to Zexion about it, and that made actually clear that Xehanort was found by Ansem after the keyblade war, so it is possible that Terra is Xehanort. Room of Awakening, that is still mysteriouse, that will be revealed though, but yeah, it should be Ven it think, since something happend to his Heart in BBS thats could be that he's a sleep, and has some connection with Roxas and Sora that way. There are very similaire characters to the 3 heroes of BBS, who definitely have a connection.
Xemnas - Terra
Ven - Roxas
Xion - Aqua
All of them share their secrets, this is going to be a tough one to crack..XD

6. Nope, that was just Terra. It had nothing to do with Xemnas, you are talking about KH1FM there Xemnas was a secret boss, and wanted to test Sora's skills, as for Terra in KH2FM+, i dunno how Sora stumbled in the Gathering place..XD.

7. Terra is like Riku, succumbs to the Darkness for power. It makes sense, that could probably explain why Xemnas cant wield a keyblade. But seeing Terra in the BBS trailer he looks determined to protect his friend at any cost, would he really give that up for Darkness and power? We'll just have to see...i guess..XD

The theory is cool, gives us pointer in figuring out some things, not totally clear yet though, but it will come.:D Nice, keep up the good work.;)

 

1. Right. SO then some how, the dude got less buff, grew out really long hair, and his hair turned all white, as well as the fact that his eyes stayed orange forever, even though it is supposed to be part of some kind of power of his? (probably has something to do with the darkness judging by the cut scenes video). I seriously will disagree on this theory, because it is not well thought out

2. That proves nothing.....

3. There is more then what person who serves under Xehonort obviously. What you are stating is unable to prove whether it was Terra or not.

4. If you take notice, the only keyblades with any chains on them is the kingdom key, riku's keyblade, and the third one. None of the others actually have keychains on them. And also, to counter your little theory, if he knew how to make such keyblades, then why didn't he just make one appear in the first place? Why not fight sora with the keyblade AND his heartless minions? Why would he even need to use Riku if he already knew how to do such a thing?

5. Time to take this a step at a time. Just because he knows Aqua, doesn't make him Terra. Like I said before, Xehonort probably has apprentices and such (or whatever the hell you want to call them), and he had probably battled with Aqua, Terra, and Ven. We don't know much about Aqua anyway, so we can't say anything for certain by using her as evidence.
And in the trailer, it isn't him talking, it's Ven. I don't know what the full details are, but if you had payed attention, Ven obviously has something special about him, which could either be good or bad, and that is why he is asking Terra to destroy him, not the other way around. And for the third comment, it is Xigbar who is speaking to him. THe orginization members wear their hoods all different from eachother, use different postures when walking, and have different voices. He matches Xigbar. And of course Xemnas has a connection to them, but he is not Terra.....
and also, I heard an interesting leak that Terra some how gives his heart to sora. It may be true, and it may be false, but it would certainly reveal why Roxas looks like Ven

6. To answer that, it is obviously because he knew them in the past. Xemnas obviously has not lost all of his memories, or perhaps it may have something to do with the Room of Sleep. We don't know what are in those rooms, and so there for, we cannot just simply assume that he lost all of his memories for good. And besides, they had Namine with them at some point, did they not? How do you know she could not have helped xemnas regain some memories?

7. It makes sense that that could happen, IF your theory was right. But I high disbelief that you are.



I can say honostly with 100% assurance that Terra is not xehonort. And if I am to be proven wrong, then, you will have to show more proof then what you have shown, since you have shown nothing but assumptions. But then again, all we can really go on is assumptions. STill though, do you honostly believe that the maker of Kingdom Hearts would want to do something such as making Terra become xehonort? I honostly don't believe that he would do such a thing, since that would some what ruin the story.....

 

I'm sorry to tell you, but this theory has already been done.

 

The theory for a while since like last year has been done repeatedly. The two strongest theories of where Xehanort came from so far are the Terra to Xehanort theory or the Apprentice to Xehanort theory. The appearances are close enough to matter in some regards but we'll have to see how it turns out. There are some good ideas and links to either Terra or the Apprentice of Master Xehanort. I can so far find reasons to support either Terra or the Apprentice having been the new 'Xehanort'. So, I'm still torn on which one if not both of them happened to be the new Xehanort in some way. Both people have run ins with Darkness and either one could have lost their memory with 'Xehanort' on the brain as the only name recalled. I have even pondered if possibly the Apprentice and Terra might have some relation but eh, that's going over the edge so I think I'm just waiting on a few more things to actually decide whether I lean more to Terra or the Apprentice being the new Xehanort in KH/KH2.

Roxas/Ven is obviously much easier to pin down as he obviously gets something done to his Heart by Master Xehanort so it would seem he was joined with Sora somehow and later Roxas comes about.

 

Hey, thanks a lot! I really don't know EVERYTHING about Kingdom Hearts unlike other people out there... but I've learned a number of things from what you've said. Hmm. I just wonder.. but again, thanks! I'll just have to wonder some more

Come on, tragic hero Terra? Don't you think that could possibly happen? Kingdom Hearts has a lot of twists... But let me tell you. I'm not trying to prove anything here. I'm just giving my ideas of what I think about them. Take it easy, please? :) Thanks a lot for the facts/clarifications anyway.

Ah. But does that really matter here? I'm just sharing thoughts, you know. Thanks for that info. :)

Really? Has it been that long since someone though about it? Wow. Haha. I've been pondering about it for a long time and I didn't know that. I barely go here. In fact, I just got back here. The last time I went here was more or less a year ago, when I was only watching videos of cutscenes and searching for codes... But thank a lot for telling me that! And for sharing your ideas, too. I kinda agree to your ideas. Things are confusing, huh? Maybe we would only know the truth when BBS comes out. CAN'T WAIT!!!

 

hmm. how can you say theories like mine really are impossible? but then,... oh well. i just feel like terra and xehanort are the same. if i'm right, won't that explain where the hell xehanort came from? besides, i only think that xehanort is terra. i'm not saying xehanort IS terra. i mean i'm not arguing it's a fact. and sure, terra and zack may look alike, but that's too far from just talking about kingdom hearts already. you say it doesn't matter if i think xehanort and terra kinda look alike, but you can say terra looks like zack. what the heck, man. x)

why do you think they're twins? that would be cool, and possible too. but it's kinda weird! haha. but i like that idea too

 

Mostly because I don't see Terra doing ANYTHING that would result in him becoming like Xehanort. Weel, besides Old Guy Xehanort possessing him, but I doubt that'd happen.

 

1) Terra and Zack (From Crisis core) look the same but they obviously aren't the same person. Now i'm not saying this part is wrong..but it most liely has no connection

2) When Ansem found Xehanort he had no memories..which included no name. After awhile Xehanort became interested in a book thing called Xehanorts memories(Or seomething like that) and for some reason adapted this name

4) None of the keyblade weilder from the birth by sleep have keychains for there keyblades.
I believe all my info is right..but ya just pointing that out

 

its possible that Terra is Xehanort and Roxas really looks like ven! So it could be possible...

 

I'm still sticking to the theory than Terra and Xehanort are twins and Terra does have darkness, but uses it for good, but Xehanort also had darkness and went bad.

 

okay, if you guys didn't know, the trailer with the words "Memory of Xehanort" is a fake one. The real one is the one with the ice flinging bald guy and the 3 masked men

 

I support the theory that they are brohters,not twins.

4 i think is wrong,i think Mx and MXA Keyblades had Keychains.

And were is 3?

 

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I actually think the apprentice is Xehanort.

Scenario: Okay, to say one thing first, this guy likes copying names. So as you may know the Dark Apprentice (DA) name is unknown. But he has a master named Master Xehanort. Based on the events in BBS, something happens to both MX and DA, but DA takes his name or had it already. Then, based on the plot of kh1 and kh2 he turns his name into ansem, which happens to be his second teacher.


Not only this but Riku has the same suit DA is wearing. Where'd Riku get his suit from? Xehanort's heartless. Where'd Xehanort's heartless come from?

Xehanort.



And im sorry but in the secret video with Aqua do any of you believe that DA could quite possibly be sarcastic? Maybe Aqua wasnt a friend, but perhaps DA was taunting her. Afterall, DA and Aqua are in BBS together so they've known eachother for a long time (11 years by the end of kh2)

And we havent played BBS yet. Perhaps the story of DA is a Riku one. You know, 4 friends, 2 choose light (ven/aqua) one chooses light/darkness (Terra) and the final one becomes just plain evil. (DA) Thats not farfetched at all.

 

As long as Terra doesn't become Ansem's Xehanort I'll be happy.

 

BBS took place 10 years before KH1. so i really dont think Terra is Xehanort. i pretty sure Xehanort is more than 10 years old. but i do agree terra and xehanort do look the same in a lot of ways.