Kingdom Hearts II synch blades

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  1. Kaidron Blaze Kingdom Keeper

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    O.k so what I know is that because of Xion Roxas got one but how did Riku get one and is it true that a synch blade can be given to anyone which in tern can make anyone a keybearer?
     
  2. Shift Chaser

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    I don't quite understand what you just said, but anyway, Nomura said there are as many Keyblades are there are people who can wield them.
    So, if anyone can wield a Keyblade, they get one.
     
  3. Ars Nova Just a ghost.

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    But that doesn't explain how Sora can suddenly use two in Drive Forms.

    I think Nomura's gonna have to retcon this at some point.
     
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    Isn't it because of the other character he's fusing with or whatever?
    I haven't played KH2 in years so I'm not entirely savvy on how drive forms worked.
     
  5. Shift Chaser

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    Pretty much, drive forms drain the power of other party members in order to work.
    The power is so strong that it's enough for a second Keyblade to go to him.

    Or you're wondering where the second one comes from?
    Because if so, that's the Keyblade Mickey left in order to get DKK, Star Seeker.
     
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    Roxas originally had two. Xion's sucking of his power caused him to only get one. When she died, he got his back.

    With Sora, he converts his friends into power to create the second keyblade.
     
  7. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    Edited a little, I believe this is what your saying.

    And yeah, I know what you mean.
    How did Riku suddenly have the abilty to Synch blade in KH2 and then give one of those Keyblades to Kairi?
    I know Nomura said those with a strong heart can wield one (Kairi's one of the Princesses of Light) so it makes sense for Kairi to. It explains how he was able to give his second synch blade to Kairi, but not how he got it.
     
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    Actually, he doesn't create that one, it already existed, it'sMickey's keyblade, the power is just used to summon it.
    Strong enough heart i think, or maybe it's like what happened with Sora and Riku in KH1, Nomura said that when Sora touched the light in Riku's heart KK went to him, so maybe Riku did the same thing with Kairi, but instead of keeping he gave the Keyblade to her.
     
  9. Ars Nova Just a ghost.

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    Uh, one problem. Wisdom Form doesn't afford Sora two Keyblades. What's more, Sora needs to fuse with two people to achieve Master/Final Forms, and you don't get three for those.

    The entire thing is very ambiguous and contradictory. Like I said, Nomura really needs to make some more statements on this.

    Where is he shown with two before the climax of 358/2 Days? I don't recall that at all. And even if he has two, how did he get more than one if each person is supposed to be afforded a single Keyblade?
     
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    Well, the fact that he doesn't get three really does make me wonder =/
    Maybe it's because it's powers are focused on magics, not just on summoning another Keyblade or something like that?
    But all in all, yeah, Nomura needs to explain a little more those things, theories won't get us nowhere.
    It wasn't, because he couldn't.
    Nomura said himself that Xion somehow passed down her fake Keyblade to Roxas when she "died".
    And i also think he said something about it becoming a real one in the process, or something like that.
     
  11. Ars Nova Just a ghost.

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    By that logic, I would think that fusing with Goofy would give Sora a shield, not another Keyblade. Goofy can't exactly focus on summoning a Keyblade when he... can't do it at all.
     
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    They don't fuse.
    The game itself explains that Drives use too much power, which ends up draining the power from other party members.

    And i also meant to say that Sora focuses the power on certain things, not the partners whose power's been drained.
    Though now that i look at it, Anti form completely destroys that theory.
     
  13. Ars Nova Just a ghost.

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    Well, not necessarily. Perhaps tapping into such power runs the risk of that power being corrupted by darkness. Since Sora has been a Heartless, his "darkness levels" have probably spiked.

    But I'm still not completely sold. No matter how much power Sora has, he's only ever been able to use one Keyblade at a time. What changes about that when he goes into a Drive? Is the ability to use a Keyblade solely measured in power? Furthermore, are there arbitrary levels of power at which a person may wield successively more Keyblades? That seems to contradict Nomura's statement that there's one Keyblade per user.

    Regardless, I was under the impression that wielding a Keyblade was determined by quality of heart, not general power.
     
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    Well, power = Heart strength, i think.
    It doesn't actually, all the times we see someone dual-wield, the Keyblades where from someone else, i.e, all Sora drive forms use Mickey's Star Seeker, Sora used Roxas's Keyblades agaisnt him, Riku used Kairi's keyblade, Roxas's used Xion's, etc.
    Though there's one thing that contradicts that statement, Mickey's Dark Kingdom Key, i mean, he already had Star Seeker, doesn't that means he got two keys just for himself?
     
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    True. That's implied when Riku catches Oblivion and gets a rush of memories from his time with Xion.
     
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    It's a theory. It makes sense though, because his tombstone was made with his dual blades, and the dual blades were never seen before that, so I assume that Xemnas knew about the dual blades prior to that.

    A different theory is that it was a 'fake' keyblade Roxas got from Xion and Sora uses that one when he drives.
     
  17. Ars Nova Just a ghost.

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    That, and how did Riku pass a Keyblade to Kairi then continue using one?

    Except it doesn't make sense because that would also contradict Nomura.

    That wouldn't work. If Xion's Keyblade was fake, she wouldn't have been able to collect hearts with it.
     
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    sorry to but in but on KH wiki it said that a key bearer can wheild two keyblades (It also said that Roxas got his second one from Xion) can give the second or "synch blade" to another person my original question was weather the second key in the others posetion makes them a key bearer...
     
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    Oh, well why didn't you say so? Jeez.

    If that's the case, it makes things much simpler. No, the person who receives the Keyblade is not a key bearer, not unless they learn to use one on their own.
     
  20. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    I do believe it's just like Nomura says: Those with strong hearts are able to wield Keyblades
    By that logic, yes, they do become Keyblade Wielder because they are able to...well, wield a Keyblade. But no, they are not a Key Bearer since they must take the power of the Keyblade from other people and are not able to do so from their own will.
     
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