Summer 2014 Tournament Planning

are mega stones gonna be banned other than gengar's, blaziken's, and kangaskhan's?

 

As it stands now, using the actual games is...confusing, for me at least, and maybe a few others. There's a few problems with it, those being:

1. People aren't going to want genned Pokémon. Some have already expressed this, and some, including me have disagreed with these people for various reasons. The reason I think people don't want genned Pokémon is because they know that all genned Pokémon will be perfect, i.e have perfect IVs and EVs, without effort, and they don't like this for whatever reason.

2. If we disallow genned Pokémon, people will still be allowed to use their legal (as far as you know, because there is no way to be sure) perfect Pokémon. A lot of people either aren't going to have the knowledge to make perfect Pokémon or don't want to bother breeding them. Some people however, might already have an arsenal of legal perfect Pokémon that they bred, and these people WILL have the advantage. A tourney like this, by it's very nature is imbalanced.

So here's my proposal. Take it how you wish, but I think it's the only way we can get this going and keep all parties happy.

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First, we do some sort of interest check. There are 2 methods of doing this depending on how many people are interested, so this is necessary.

Method 1:
This is the method we will use if we feel that we have a good amount of people, let's say maybe 20+ ideally, no lower than 15.

What I had in mind, was instead of separating the tourneys by platform, we separate it by skill level. We have two tourneys going:
1. Beginner level. In order to compete in this tourney, you need to have very little to no knowledge of the technical side of competitive Pokémon, i.e IVs, EVs, etc, or just not have access to perfect Pokémon. This will be a 3DS tournament only tournament, as when using a simulator, IVs and EVs are required to be set, so this would confuse people with little knowledge of those things. I think if you're competing in this tournament, you're probably not going to know what a genned Pokémon is so it most likely won't be an issue, but if someone inquires about it or attempts to use perfect Pokémon in this, we can assume they are knowledgeable enough for the next level tourney, so we will move them up.

2. Advanced level. If you know how IVs and EVs work and have access to perfect Pokémon, this is the tournament for you. This will be a predominantly simulator tournament, but if both parties want to use the 3DS, it will be allowed, with the use of genned pokémon also allowed because the participants in this tourney will be able to handle them.

I think a good way to get people interested (which is a requirement for this method) is to have prizes. A Beginner prize and an Advanced prize. I'm not sure what these could be for now, but if anyone here has anything, like maybe some giftcards, steam codes or w.e they wanna donate, it would be pretty cool.


Method 2:
This is the method we'll use if we don't feel like we have enough people for method 1. (less than 15 people)

In this method, we're only going to be using the simulator. Sorry folks but the 3DS just causes too much imbalance if the tourney isn't structured the way it is method 1.

There will only by 1 tourney running at a time and will be for a mixed skill level. If people don't understand IVs and EVs, we can try put them against others that don't, or educate them to the best of our ability.

Prizes could also be given out for this method, but it depends on if people are willing to donate them.
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So yeah. That's just how I think the best way to go about this would be. If anyone has any suggestions to add on this, or has a problem to address with it, please reply.

 

As much as I'd like Method 1, the Beginner level thing doesn't seem that well implemented, just because I think plenty of the participants will know how EV training works and what generated Pokemon are.

Since we can't really come to a decision on using generated Pokemon in 3DS games, I'd say we just stick to using the simulator for the time being. Method 2 it is, unless someone can come up with something that works better?

Well, I haven't really heard any demand for Mega Pokemon other than Mega Blaziken and Mega Kangaskhan being banned.

Do you guys want Mega Gengar and/or Mega Lucario banned? Just asking to see thoughts.

 

I think if we have enough people Method 1 would work fine, because the Beginner level doesn't only apply to people who don't know about the technical side, it's also for people who don't have access to perfect pokemon or just don't want to use them.

 

Now correct me if I'm wrong but from what I understand being around this community sub-forum is that people who use genned Pokémon are basically lazy cheaters is that correct?

 

Not entirely. The majority of people that use genned pokémon only use them for competitive battles, so yeah, you could call them lazy for not spending weeks breeding and training a competitive team, but I wouldn't call them cheaters because they have no advantage competitively. People who use genned pokémon to advance through the game's story are what I would call cheaters.

 

Ah. Well I have no idea how to generator Pokémon so I guess that isn't a problem for me then.

 

Ah, I agree with that then. An "Imperfect" tournament ;p

Also, just so we can get some clear replies: do you guys want Mega Gengar and/or Mega Lucario banned? I would like to just like to know some thoughts before I put up poll threads.

 

I don't mind personally, but just note that for the simulator tourney, we will have to play by Smogon's rules (meaning we will be unable to unban Lucarionite and Gengarite) unless somebody knows a way to edit rules on showdown? if so I could try set up a private server for us.

 

@Karuta Method 1 is more or less the same as what I proposed so naturally I agree on that, though like you said there are inherent complications with doing it as such. If we're being realistic, I think a large majority of people here EV train. The only person I've encountered who doesn't is burnitup, so I'm not sure there's much point in having a separate beginner level tournament (which, btw, I'm not in love with calling it as such but you gotta do what you gotta do) based on knowledge of EV's and IV's alone. My idea, admittedly flawed, was to have it be divided based on how competitive people were, where the 3ds would be for those less competitive. The problem of it being imbalanced still remains and the only solution I see would be to have those with more knowledge moved to a simulator tournament, like you said, making the 3ds tournament pointless. When this whole thing was initially brought up, I think the intention (and what I assumed/thought) was that it would be more casual. I understand that it has changed since and there are more competitive than non-competitive people here, so it's only fair that the tournament be structured with this in mind. Having it on the 3ds is becoming more and more an unrealistic endeavor. I hope we have enough people to go with method 1, though I could easily see us going simulator only, even if we have enough people.
I'm strongly against the idea of prizes. For one, you don't need incentive to draw people to a Pokemon tournament. If people have Pokemon they're going to want to play. It's also not enough of an official event (has there even been an event on khv with prizes?) for prizes to be appropriate. It's already become more competitive than initially intended and I don't think prizes are necessary in any way. I may be alone in this thinking.

@Hayabusa MG yes, ML no. That is, if we have enough for a 3ds tournament anyway.

 

Method 1 isn't only intended for people with lack of knowledge, it's for people who don't have or don't want to use perfect pokémon. as Hayabusa said, they're basically just imperfect and perfect tournaments. And the Trivia tournament gives out Prizes to the winner im pretty sure.

 

Ah, didn't see that. Then yes I agree with that. Basically what I had in mind mines perfects allowed.
Oh I didn't know. I mean if people want to have prizes okay, I just don't think it's necessary as incentive. And it seems kinda weird.

 

They don't have to have a monetary worth. They could just be like, a signature or something.