Kingdom Hearts II sora becomes a heartless again sometime after losisng vens heart?

Discussion in 'Kingdom Hearts HD II.5 ReMIX' started by Luxias_Zero, Jan 15, 2012.

  1. Luxias_Zero Merlin's Housekeeper

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    WHAT IF.....i was wondering this the other day. what if when vens heart leaves sora and goes back to ven and for whatever reason whenever it happens sora becomes a heartless again, and roxas spawns again....what would he look like? would he look like ven again or like sora? i dont see how he would look like ven again because sora doesnt have vens heart insixde him anymore so there would be no reason for him to spawn looking like ven so its in that that i think if this would happen roxas would spawn looking like sora like every other nobody spawns looking like there "someones". obviously he wouldnt be able to dul wield anymore. would do you think?
     
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    That wouldn't be possible. There would have to be an extra heart roaming around without a body. If Ven's heart didn't enter his own body when it leaves Sora's body then it might make a Heartless. Though I don't think it could make a Nobody since there'd be no physical body for a Nobody to spawn from...then again, that happened with Namine. >> Anyways, with the way you suggested, there'd be no creation of a Nobody or Heartless.
     
  3. Mixt The dude that does the thing

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    Well the heartless/nobody system is complex enough without adding in the Sora and Ven complications but here is my take.

    Generally the introductory stage of a nobody is the soul controlling the body without a heart (lasting until the body wastes away), and thus is 100% identical to whomever the nobody is of. The presence of Ven's heart complicated that apparently and left Roxas looking like Ven instead of Sora. If Ven were to regain his heart and then Roxas be reborn, I would think he would look like Sora.
     
  4. Luxias_Zero Merlin's Housekeeper

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    thats what i was thinking, now if roxas were to be spawned again do you think he would have his memories of when he was a nobody before? cuz then again...the sora ven complications. eh, it doesnt really matter anyway. i just think it would be interesting to see sora turn into a heartless again and roxas be spawned again sometime after ven regains his heart, just to see how nomura would work that whole. playing kh days totally changed my opinion of roxas.
     
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    ...Wait... Why would Sora become a Heartless from losing Ven's heart? He still has his own. Unless we're supposing he somehow gets his hands on another dark Keyblade and pulls another pseudo-suicide, which I don't see happening. Not that he wouldn't do it, the sweetheart, but would it be necessary? Kairi's heart sought refuge in Sora; it was kind of a slap-dash deal. Ven asked if he could come in. If they found Ven, who's to say his heart wouldn't return of its own accord?
     
  6. Mixt The dude that does the thing

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    Well the question is speaking of two separate events. First Ven's heart is returned to put him out of the picture, then sometime later for some unspecified but totally unrelated reason Sora becomes a heartless. Since then Sora would only contain the pieces of himself he would in theory behave more normally. Although the fact that Roxas was born previously and the presence of Xion could both conceivably still play factors it Roxas's physical appearance.

    (Yes that was a lot of me repeating my last post, but it felt too short otherwise. Deal with it)
     
  7. Cloudrunner62 Twilight Town Denizen

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    Ok. What happens when a heart is taken from a body with 2 hearts via keyblade is that the heart belonging to that body leaves and becomes the heartless, and the foreign heart stays with the nobody. The two examples of this are Terranort and Sora. Now, in Terra's case, he didn't know about Nobodies or Heartless. With Sora, the circumstances are a little different. The Dark Keyblade wasn't a keyblade from either realm, Dark nor Light, but was made from six of the seven Princesses of heart. So it also released Kairi's heart, which, if not for her body being right there, would probably have become a heartless of its own. Sora's heart did become a heartless and the remaining heart, Ventus's, went on with his body and became Roxas's heart and the reason for his physical appearance. Going back to Terranort...In this instance, MX had willing released his own living and intact heart and tried to possess Terra's body and Terra wasn't at all willing to let him be there, unlike Sora and Ven. So they were both inside the same body, fighting each other and likely fracturing and injuring both hearts. When Terra finally managed to use the keyblade on himself, he thought he'd be ridding himself of MX's heart not his own. Sora knew that it would likely happen so his heart was willing to leave. I'm guessing Terra's heart wasn't so willing and that, due to the fighting, a fraction of MX's heart went with him. So inside Seeker Ansem's body was a mangled heart with fragments of another heart, resulting in very few memories, and those left would have been confusing and a strong urge that told him that Kingdom Hearts was the key to his problems, although his reasoning would've been off. Back in the body of Terra would be the first nobody, Xehanort, who later would take on the name Xemnas after betraying Ansem the wise and banishing him. This one would, like Roxas, have no memories save for a few random flashes. He would at some point remember how to summon his keyblade (Likely gotten from the dark realm, the blue eye being the mark of a dark realm keyblade) and would go on to create the other nobodies in the organization. Now...this next part is based on sheer speculation with little evidence behind it.
    Master Xehanort took his own heart and hd it go to Terra's. What no one ever considers is that his body would have become it's own nobody, that likely being the Mysterious Figure from BBS and that Nobody WOULD have memories from Xehanort's past. I'm betting MF, at some point, found his heart inside the Nobody of Terra and thats how he remembered how to summon the keyblade. After directing the wandering nobody of Terra to do his dirty work and create the organization, he somehow merged with him, likely in the body of Terra because it was a younger, stronger one, and in the process, lost his own memories again. I'm willing to bet it'll go something like that.