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  1. KeybladeSpirit [ENvTuber] [pngTuber]

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    Well actually he said "the next Final Fantasy," so maybe he meant XIV: A Realm Reborn, but I seriously doubt that that considering that was already in production.

    May I ask why you're so against it?
     
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    Because that means it's not Yoko Shimomura
     
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    Shimomura needs to stick to KH anyway. Uematsu is far superior when it comes to Final Fantasy.
     
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    That's implying every single view count on that video is 1:1 - person per view. That is not the case.
     
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    bUT WHAT ABOUT SOMNUS AND OMNIS LACRIMA
     
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    They obviously had to go through Uematsu before they were approved. "In charge of" doesn't mean, "only person working on."
     
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    Uematsu doesn't make particularly GOOD music anymore though. The Last Story's OST is really quite boring. Omnis Lacrima was Yoko written all over it though.
    And going by your recent update to the evidence... pretty sure it's talking about FFXIV
     
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    This^
     
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    Wait, you mean to tell me that 2/7 of the people of the world haven't actually watched Gagnam Style?
     
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    I was thinking something around the same i thought he hit a mailbox
     
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    Oh my god, go be pervy with Cat or something baka-Enzy.
     
  13. DigitalAtlas Don't wake me from the dream.

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    It's surely close. YouTube gives one view per unique IP. Sales numbers of albums mean jack in a world where people download and YouTube music. So yes, YouTube, last.fm, these are places that are WAY MORE ACCURATE sources of popularity. Ya yogurt.[DOUBLEPOST=1404366719][/DOUBLEPOST]
    Thank you sir
     
  14. ♥♦♣♠Luxord♥♦♣♠ Chaser

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    You could watch a portion of a YouTube video and it still count as a "view" for that video. YouTube was also a lot more lax with how they counted their views back in the day. So older videos might not be as accurate as you think. I am well aware that in the past YouTube has "fixed" some of the view counters and people's video view count has gone up or down depending on the situation. Also one person could view the video multiple times on several different IP's.

    I understand that yes a YouTube video with a ton of views means that it is indeed popular but like @temples said:

    This makes a lot of sense ^ assumption or not.

    The more views a video on YouTube has can make the diversity of the people knowing about it expand by a lot, but you need A LOT of views for that to be the case.

    An example of this is the story of my car crash went viral on YouTube after a major gaming YouTuber talked about it in a video (has well over half a million views, and an active community to boot) but are people stopping me on the streets being like "duuude are you that guy" no they aren't. In fact like I said, probably none of you are even aware that this even happened, why is that you may ask? Because its not your scene, your group, etc. It was popular in that select group of people, but it didn't branch out that much. It takes something major for that to happen and even then there are still walls that are rarely broken down. My grandmother doesn't know **** about gangnam style despite it having over two billion views. I can name several people I know that don't live in caves, that are the same as my grandmother. They don't know because stuff like that isn't part of their world.

    A million views on YouTube, in the grand scheme of things isn't that much. Not at all. If you go to a gaming convention as a big youtuber, yes people are going to be stopping you left and right but that's because that particular group of people is FLOODED with people in that scene. You as that youtuber are very much part of their world / lives. The same way FF music is part of some of our lives but most people outside of the gaming community wouldn't recognize it at all. In OUR worlds' it is popular, hella popular. However if you included the entire world or even your entire state or country it would fall flat.
     
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    Uh... what? No it doesn't. You get one view per... view. If I watch one of my own videos twice it gets two additional views
     
  16. ♥♦♣♠Luxord♥♦♣♠ Chaser

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    If all it takes to be a youtube expert is to talk about youtube then... WOAH
     
  18. DigitalAtlas Don't wake me from the dream.

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    Okay, if YouTube views weren't enough...

    1. Were those OSTs even sold outside of Japan? I can assure you I can't find a version of VII's OST without a Japanese track listing, even on amazon.

    2. We're talking GAME OSTs, 200k is actually fantastic compared to other franchises. Gamers has been grabbing freakin' midi replications for free off the internet since web 1.0 days

    3. What about all the remixes on OCR? Sure, that's gamer related, sure, but do those not count as fans? Do actual music creators not count?

    4. Square Enix pays to set up live performances of Uematsu in public venues, as Moglin has gone too. These are all over Japan, America, the world. They're not trying to reach gamers.

    5. The sales of every FF are higher than the standard game. Do you know what this means? People who don't buy games... are buying these games. Thatw was the case of FFVII on the PS1. It was basically CoD back then. There's so many people played it. LOCAL NEWSPAPERS (not mine though :C) were writing about it as a wonder of technology and story telling.

    6. I said normal**** even liked Uematsu's music. IGN went out on the street and had normals identify a Chocobo and some even knew what they were trying to guess at, they just didn't have the name. Meaning, thye know what FF is. Judging by the sales, they've probably played one.

    7. It's viral. On facebook. Always. Because of US GAMER nostalgia. There are people who play CoD and nothing else sharing memes from OoT and FFVI/VII. I don't think you know what an US GAMER is. It's people who rarely or even never have played games, but enjoy the memes and in jokes that circulated ot increase their credibility with "nerdy" people and increase their friend circle. THIS IS A REAL THING.

    You people are ACTUALLY insane. I hear "200k copies sold" for a GAME OST and hear "OH MY GOD THAT'S INCREDIBLE." Because it is. It's a game OST. I see millions of views and think "wow, a lot of people like this!" I see concerts and KNOW people who don't know who Uematsu is are buying tickets because Final Fantasy is such a huge series with a lot of renown. It was basically Call of Duty before Call of Duty. There's reason I couldn't find a copy of FFXII ANYWHERE on launch week. I'm not even allowing that as evidence because it's an anecdote. I'm just cementing the evidence to the contrary of what ya'll are trying to believe is OVERWHELMING. You can downplay it all you want.

    I'm sure you have a lot of nice paragraphs there, but I don't care at all. You're factually wrong. It's a video. With a picture. And a song. That people have to actively SEEK. OUT. One of those videos has 1/100th of the sales of the entire series. You're actually, physically, factually WRONG.

    It's a great place to verify popularity both relatively and objectively, which is the entire point. I didn't watch a video, I looked at viewer count. Compare an indie song to a big label's views. You can gauge popularity EASILY.

    False. Check the YouTube views guidelines for a view. In fact, even GAME THEORY has stated that it's one view per IP. Otherwise people could set up refresh bots and make money and viral looking videos in less than a day.
     
  19. ♥♦♣♠Luxord♥♦♣♠ Chaser

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    I don't really see a point in having a discussion with someone when they go all caps lock about how wrong the other person is by simply stating "DUDE, YOU ARE WRONG DUDE". Whatever helps you sleep at night man. Sorry if I stepped on your toes by having a different opinion on the subject as you.
     
  20. DigitalAtlas Don't wake me from the dream.

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    But it's not an opinion-manner. You can say he's not popular, but you're wrong. You can say he's not good and I'd agree, but you can't say he's not popular.