So, Star Wars being in KH3 is pretty much confirmed now

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  1. A Zebra Chaser

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    So how is Star Wars contradictory? I've given plenty of examples of how it would fit into KH2, never mind a brand new game. And I can definitely give a pretty simple reason why it would make the game more enjoyable. Lots of people want it. Lots of people like Star Wars. A LOT of people's favourite worlds in KH tend to be the one based on their favourite Disney movie, without much else to back it up. So for people who like Star Wars a lot, they get that. For the rest of us? Well it certainly can't HURT us or anything. Worst case scenario it ends up not being a very good world. But it would end up giving us fun fights or mini games or whatever, and who knows, maybe they'll even get some old cast members to reprise their roles? That'd be cool.
    I'd certainly say there's a LOT more potential for a Star Wars world to be interesting, Pirates turned out incredibly bland. Star Wars gives us some colourful characters, laser battles, space ships and such (oh yeah, btw, forgot, Deep Space. Also keyblade gliders. Data battles. Replicas. Hollow Bastion. DiZ. The Mirage Arena)
    Now maybe the original Tron was plenty silly, but they played Legacy much more straight.
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  2. Makaze Some kind of mercenary

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    I already explained. The way the world works in that game is all politics, lasers and The Force. None of those have any place in KH, with lasers being the most precedented and mosting fitting. If you're arguing that the actual gameplay wouldn't be out of place, you are missing the point. The political nature of Star Wars is a big issue on its own. But let's not argue over debatable points.

    I'll say it straight out since you have ignored it. The Force is a deal breaker, flat out. They will not incorporate Star Wars because they cannot incorporate The Force. If you think they can, think of the backwards continuity they will have to add. They will have make Star Wars an integral part of the main KH story line just to include it.

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  3. A Zebra Chaser

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    I didn't ignore it at all. I pointed out that every world operates on their own rules. The ending of KH2 showed us apparently Pyreflies are a part of the KHU, did that screw hings up? What about the cluster**** the religious scene must be, considering Greek Gods are apparently real, but Maleficent gets her powers from Hell, and China actually has ancient dragons? Every world ALWAYS brings its baggage, and then it's PROMPTLY ignored. Sora can fly in Never Land, but not other worlds. In some worlds he changes shape. Nothing from a world ever TRULY carries over. And the force? It's a completely abstract concept, basically magic in practice. It has NO really ramifications on the larger KHU, especially since no force sensitive people exist, and the force itself has very little use that isn't already replicated in some way alreayd n KH by magic or technology.
    Star Wars DOES have political elements... but they're so easy to brush over. The LEGO games adapted the movies and they didn't even use dialog. The Death Star is devoid of any real political stuff that would be needed though, which I think makes it perfect. Just show up, meet Han Luke and such, they explain they're looking for a princess. Maybe some throwaway dialog about princesses of hearts. They fight some heartless, they go through the key set pieces of the movie, have a boss fight... and then it's over. Fits like a key, has fun opportunities, gives some good fanservice (which is basically the second point of KH)
    Maybe Sora gets like force push or something to take with him into future worlds. Because Sora can literally do anything
    I seriously don't see why you think the force is such a big deal, ESPECIALLY in the original trilogy
     
  4. Makaze Some kind of mercenary

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    You actually make a decent point there...

    Well then, two more points.

    Star Wars has a lot of religion on top of the politics, always has a moral lesson. The forces of good and the forces of evil, and so on. This is a naturally polarizing element, which may detract from the friendship-centric attitude in KH.

    Not a single Star Wars film takes place on a single planet. How would they fit multiple planets into a world?
     
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    I mean, KH is already pretty set in the forces of good and evil thing, and KH has shown it's not terribly averse to rewriting things to fit. Though I doubt they would need to do much here, they already talk a lot about Darth Vader giving in to the darkness and such, now it can just be literal.

    On the planets thing. They COULD treat it like the islands in Pirates, let you visit multiple ones, but I think choosing a significant planet works better. Like just using the Death Star, it sugues pretty well. Make it kinda like Monstro in KH1, where the Gummi Ship gets pulled into a tractor beam. Luke Han and Ben are already there, they briefly explain how they got there adn why, and then the story proceeds as normal. Adapting episode V might require two worlds, Dagobah and Cloud City, simply because I don't think the events of Cloud City are enough to fill an entire world. Maybe if it's like KH2 Dagobah could be the first visit and Cloud City the second. Episode VI is obvious, Endor. With a brief moment with the Death Star II for the final battle. Episode 1, Naboo, make podracing a mini game. Episode 2, Geonosis (with maybe a bit of Kamino?), Episode 3... tough to say (I haven't seen episode 3 since it was released in theatres, I barely remember any details)
     
  6. Makaze Some kind of mercenary

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    I still strongly believe they will not use it because of how difficult it would be to make it fit for a one-shot story among the many other things I said.

    That said, I accede that all of the points are at least debatable.

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  7. A Zebra Chaser

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    you misunderstand me. I don't really think Star Wars is likely to make it in (though it'd make for a great hype generating trailer) I'm just arguing it wouldn't be as impossible or unfitting as people are saying
     
  8. Makaze Some kind of mercenary

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    It won't make it in because of how unfitting it is.

    There is a meaningful correlation here.
     
  9. kitty_mckechnie I want to hug you like big fuzzy Siberian bear!

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    As long as Jar Jar Binks is in it as a companion I'm good with it.
     
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    YOU KNOW WHAT I WANT MORE OF!?
    MORE CROSSOVERS WITH SQUARE CHARACTERS!
    I mean that's what Kingdom Hearts is right? A Square and Disney crossover. Too many times does it seem like the Square characters and the Disney characters are entirely separate from eachother and living off in their own worlds (literally) rather then actually crossing paths.

    You know how they handled Auron in the Underworld? Yeah, I want more of THAT.


    The ORIGINAL CHARACTERS don't count of course.


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  11. A Zebra Chaser

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    The thing is KH may be a cross over, bu very few characters actually CROSS over. You get FF in Olympus Colosseum, and some stuff in Radiant Garden, but very rarely do Disney characters cross paths, let alone Square characters
     
  12. Chad Thundercucc The dharma of valvu; the dream of a clatoris

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    Shiiieeet, I'm still waiting on that.