So, Bryan Cranston doesn't quite like Godzilla

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  1. DigitalAtlas Don't wake me from the dream.

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    I wonder if they let the actors keep the suit after. I'd use it to pickup women.

    "Godzilla is going to riggity, riggity wreck you, girl ;)"

    No? Sure?
     
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    I really want to see a picture of this. Surgery on Godzilla sounds amusing to see.
     
  3. DigitalAtlas Don't wake me from the dream.

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    Don't spread it. It'll go viral on tumblr quick with the right font and then it's ruined forever.
     
  4. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    I'm going to take a fairly massive leap here, but the human characters were more characterised than Godzilla was. This is based off of a logical conclusion rather than watching the film.
    I still don't understand this criticism of serious films being 'old-school' or i'm not understanding what you're trying to say. Because more films are serious now in my mind than has ever been.
    Also, characters are meant to move plot and are made interesting or deep to keep us interested in the consequences of the plot has on them. There's this belief or argument in novel writing, mainly, about literary and genre fiction. Literary fiction explores deep characters but has a lot of musing and no real progression. Genre fiction (like Sci-fi, horror) is the opplsie, with tons of actions and characters with sometimes little development who follow stereotypes. A great piece of work can have the best of both, and most great writers do so. But there will always be fiction that doesn't nail that, and will fall into the traps of either fiction category. I think it's a bit harsh is all.

    That's exactly what happened. They're not part of the same reality in the DmC universe. What's this idea that it's somehow replacing the original? It's still there, still alive in a recent HD collection. Unless you're one of these older fans who believes that by killing the new game that it'll somehow resurrect the original series, because that's not happening. That's not how business works.
     
  5. DigitalAtlas Don't wake me from the dream.

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    This thread reeks of contrarian...
     
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    Sorry, couldn't hold it.
     
  7. Scarred Nobody Where is the justice?

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    Did a bit if research and found out it was the guy in the Hedorah consume in Godzilla vs Hedorah (Godzilla vs The Smog Monster)
     
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    I mean it's not like it's exactly possible for us to KILL a franchise in the first place.
     
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    Except my second post in here says:

    I just wish it didn't have the flaws that it did. The good parts are fantastic, but there's far more boring to deal with, in my opinion.

    But anyway, it's totally fine if you don't like it. I just like for people to put in effort to trying to understand why, and you clearly have :>

    I....don't get how your post goes against what I'm saying? Nor did I say old-school films are serious or....whatever it is exactly you're saying. Anyway, 2014 Godzilla shouldn't have been adjusted in it's writing to stick with what's popular nowadays in terms of tone exactly. It worked for the directing, but the writing needed an injection of personality, rather than just strict plot-movement and military jargon.

    Y'see, the first part of the underlined, about moving the plot, worked in 2014 Godzilla just fine. However, the "interesting or deep to keep us interested in the consequences of the plot has on them" part...yeah, do tell me how much anyone cared about Ford and his family beyond the most basic humane factors of not wanting to see people die. Because nobody who's seen the film whom I know ever talks about them in positive light, so far.

    Also,

    Where was it ever stated or shown that the success of a reboot would help in the continuation of the original, for the public audience to easily read for themselves? To my knowledge, there haven't been many series that have been rebooted in a new direction and yet have seen the original version come back for continuation in the original universe (except I guess comic book series, which are already known for having many universes.)

    But regardless, I don't hate the new game. I just wish Capcom didn't pull such an ass-backwards move, especially regarding a series that has two of my favorite action games ever, and brought Ninja Theory (some) undeserved backlash. Why couldn't the dev team get to just make their own new game in a similar tone, without it being affiliated with the Devil May Cry series?
     
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    you say this with a TWEWY avatar
     
  11. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    I'm saying Godzilla fits into genre fiction perfectly, and that a lot of people wouldn't expect a monster film to have the best character development or relationships, but would expect impact, movement, action. I'd be one of them. Same way I don't expect The Expendable to have a character development between all of the 8 main cast members. It's not an old movie thing, it's simply a writing thing. I'm not sure if injecting 'personality' would've added to the film, I think it would've been trying to appeal too much to either audience and not fulfilling either's desires. Could've seen what adding a drunken Japanese guy or Jet Jaguar would've done to it, but I think it would have not interested me at all.

    Also i've heard a couple reviews mention the 'Ford' character, and they've said, generally speaking, "ok, I know military guys who would probably act that cold and despondent in the situation, they're trained to be emotionless drones after all, so I can't say that's bad characterisation" so it is realistic, if boring, apparently.

    Because Capcom. The Japanese company killed the old franchise in terms of continuation, that wasn't Ninja Theory's fault. It's dead to Capcom, and I am almost certain the original series will never come back in a proper console gaming form ever again. Ninja Theory were just contracted by Capcom to make a Devil May Cry reboot with a western mindset. They accomplished that and made a good game even. It was never really designed to appeal to old fans, not the way the original series would, and was instead made to attract new audiences. It worked, because I played and really liked it compared to the 3, which was the only game I tried before then. But I believe even the potential of the reboot game becoming a series is gone now thanks to these old fans who never stopped hating and shouting at how they didn't want it. The vocal minority, as they say, but it's what companies stupidly listen to, a one sided argument. Which is a real shame, because a new DmC would've been something I would've bought if they improved upon it. Godzilla seems to be getting similar, if less intense, hate for the same sort of thing. It was even pretty obvious from the trailers how serious the new film was going to be, how the military was trying to kill this monster that was destroying everything, with dark brooding colours, danger at every corner. It was more realistically aimed, which accounted for the serious tone, at least that's what I got from the trailers alone, seeing as I haven't seen it. but trailers are kind of 'proof of concept' for the audiences, these displays of what the whole film is gonna be about. And by the sounds of it, the trailers are fairly accurate to the movie.
     
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    How did we kill TWEWY?
     
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    well it's dead
     
  14. Scarred Nobody Where is the justice?

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    By not being good.
     
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    Shots fired.
     
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    Yeah but WE didn't kill it
    That's entirely Square-Enix's fault
     
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    So they killed it
     
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    So...you're saying that boring is excusable then just because it's "realistic"? Because I think that's a pretty shite excuse to have a main character as dull and uncaptivating as Ford. Saving Private Ryan's cast wasn't boring to watch, nor were the characters in Jarhead or Full Metal Jacket or many other films centering around military characters. I'm not asking for Ford to have been Joker from The Dark Knight or something; I just want a protagonist that I can actually watch on a big screen and not yawn at. Someone to cheer for like I cheered for Godzilla. (also, just as someone whose dad is retired military and talks to Air Force guys like every week, they still have personalities. Obviously it's different when they're not actively on the job, but yeah, they're not exactly as dull as Ford was when he's off-the-job in the film.)

    Notice I didn't say anything about Ninja Theory being at fault either, just Capcom. They were the ones dumb enough to even think the series needed a reboot at all just because it wasn't getting Call of Duty-esque sales (Devil May Cry 4 actually sold pretty well for it's genre.) And Capcom was also dumb enough to never clearly state for the fans or newcomers that the original series would still be able to exist alongside this new reboot universe. And in no way do I think the new Godzilla deserves the same hate. It's still a good film, and a helluva lot better than the Roland Emmerich cringe-fest in 1998, but I'm not going to ignore the film's flaws just because past films in the genre had these issues.
     
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    Long time Sengoku BASARA fan. I hear you on this score.