So, Bryan Cranston doesn't quite like Godzilla

Yes, and thus 100% bot.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

 

Again, second hand information here, but what I'm told is that you SEE Godzilla... they just don't actually show Godzilla DOING anything until they end, they just cut away to people telling you that something TOTALLY happened

 

Through out this whole movie I never once got a sense of "AMERICA F*** YEAH" not even in that scene. If anything that scene is more the Navy following Godzilla.

Maybe if this were the '98 I would agree with you cause in the context of that movie it just falls into that category.

False. You actually do see him do stuff even after the first cut away when he is introduce from him you see him in the cut away scene (though on a TV, fighting the monster) and the only time people talk about what he is doing is where he is going.

 

It was a 'murica **** yeah movie, but it was played for the funsies for once. Made it bearable, at least for me.

- I am Philippe Roaché, DGSE - Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure.
- It sounds big.
- French Secret Service.
- Oh.

- No croissant ?
- No, monsieur.
- Slurp ... Bleurgh ! You call this coffee ?
- I call this America.

 

I know that it's like from in the past films, having seen a few, such as Godzilla: 2000: Millenium and a bunch of others that I can't remember the titles of, but I just wish that, with this much marketing and a giant budget (comparably,) I just wished that we could have gotten a more competent and interesting human story. It doesn't have to be amazing, just...not boring.

I disagree completely with the idea that Pacific Rim was built without passion. It felt very clear to me how much so many of the people involved were trying to make a fun film, especially having watched the behind-the-scenes and seeing Guillermo del Toro practically fanboying while talking about the film. Hell, they reference an obscure plot-point from Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II. To me, I can tell that they tried with both, but Pacific Rim embraced a fun-filled approach with cheesy characters and dialogue and vibrant colors, while 2014 Godzilla I feel suffered in the writing department from sticking too hard to a serious perspective, with the only interesting lines coming out of Cranston or Watanabe.

 

I guess this is just one of those "agree to disagree" moments. I'm willing to bet that they had a lot of fun on set. I've heard behind the scene stories, and they're really charming. That doesn't change the way I view the movie. I wasn't given a reason to root for the main characters at all because they weren't characters at all (except for Charile Day's character). They were dolls. The movie felt a lot like a little kid playing with his action figures. It's a fun envorinment, but it really all meant nothing because there was nothing to get attached to. And I wasn't asking for much in Pacific Rim, I just wanted something to root for, to care about what I'm watching, and it really didn't deliver. I would say that Pacific Rim is a well put together fireworks show: It's big and loud, a lot of people come to see it and get what they want out of it; there's "ohhs" and "ahhs" and it's impressive to look at, but in the end you're just left staring at nothing.

 

You know I've heard those complaints before the movie came out, not so much after. Wonder what happened.

 

i've heard people complaining that godzilla looks too fat and therefore not good
i've heard people go as far as to say that this is the worst godzilla design ever. and im just like ..wat. it looks amazing

 

I can see where those people are coming from. Godzilla of old was a beanpole and in no way bulky. [/sarcasm]

The new design is great. They seem to have gone with a more realistic edge with his appearance (crocodilian hide, gills to help him breath under water, feet look like something a creature of his size would have, etc.).

 

Wasn't the original all about warning people about the deadliness of nuclear warfare, the folly of human uses of it and our apparent need for destroying everything, where science and military, the government going public and keeping secret (along with love and suicide) were all issues in the film?
It feels strange to argue it wasn't camp enough.

 

The original is the exception to the rule though, even I know that

 

Regardless, I find it strange for a film to be criticised for being 'too serious', especially since its original incarnation was a serious affair, despite whatever over the top and cheesy exceptions that have been made. This is a remake after all, of a Japanese franchise. And I could bring this back to a Devil May Cry VS DmC remake debate, but that's hellish territory, yet Godzilla seems like its facing the same criticisms.

 

*facepalm* OH! It's okay of the original takes itself seriously, but the reboot? Don't be ridiculous! LET'S GET SOME GODZILLA GOOFINESS UP IN HERE!

Godzilla facing the same criticisms as DMC baffles me. It is probably from the people who have either never seen a Godzilla movie in there life or has no knowledge of Godzilla outside the Showa era and expects that.

 

No it isn't
People already know who Godzilla is in the movie. This isn't an origin story or anything this is just flat out a new Godzilla movie.

 

I don't really get the criticism about having no reason to root for the main characters as if 2014 Godzilla's cast (besides Godzilla himself) had good characters. In fact, your analogy of a little kid playing with his action figures to me feels even more accurate with that film than with Pacific Rim.

Yeah, and it was, as hatok put it, pretty much the only one of the old-school films to take that serious tone, but that's not really the point I want to make.

The point of me saying that the 2014 film tried too hard to be serious and solemn is that, as a result, it pretty much felt like none of the human characters had any room to say or do anything that would give them a personality, aside from (again) Cranston and Watanabe's characters. They were only there to move the plot forward. And if anyone says "Well that's how it was in the old-school movies," then why can we not improve upon these things? Why is it that one weak point of the new film has to be defended with "WELL THAT'S HOW THEY ALL WERE" instead of changing it for the better?

The main thing I want to state over all is this: the director did a fantastic job for 2014 Godzilla, but the writing, specifically for the human characters, needs to improve if they want me to care even a little about the characters not named Godzilla.

Interesting that you brought up the Devil May Cry vs. DmC debate. I'm currently trying to play through every Devil May Cry game, along with DmC: Devil May Cry. It honestly doesn't look that bad (certainly a better game than Devil May Cry 2,) but no matter what, it will always have been a bad idea to try rebooting the series, at least in my opinion. Ninja Theory could have made the game as good as it is without suffering the backlash of the fan base by making it simply be an original title. If anything, I wouldn't mind simply having two universes for the Devil May Cry series: the original, and the reboot. I just really don't want the original series to be replaced.

 

Technically they changed the origin but besides an off hand comment of it they don't dwell on it. But yeah, the technical term would be Reboot then Remake.

 

Like I said, agree to disagree. I'm at least open to understanding why you like Pacific Rime and why you didn't like Godzilla. I mean, yeah it looked pretty, but something in it felt hallow. Trust me, I want to like it. I don't enjoy having unpopular opinions on something that people really love. There's just something about it that keeps me from liking it.

 

Dude I bet that guy wished he could do martial arts in that suit. He could barely move his body and they had to have a team to just move tail. Poor guy musts sweat up a storm just pushing down fake buildings

 

I heard that during one of the films, the guy in the suit was going through appendicitis. It was too difficult for them to get him out of the suit that they had to cut through where they needed to do surgery, but having him still wear the suit.