Sex before marriage

I think Seifer is trying to address the idea of celibacy (if not, I apologise but that's jus what I thought what you were geting at) where in you have sexual attraction but you choose not to act on it. I suppose it's worked before i've not looked much into it, but what would you say to a relationship that has both parties who are celibate,

You know this how? Sexual desire or sex for pleasure hasn't simply sky-rocketed in the last decade. Thinking back to stuff like the creation of the Kama Sutra in India, orgies of the upper class in Italy throughoit history, the free love of the 60s. The thing is, today we have such a focus on sex in culture, in fashion, acceptance in social groups, in the idea of maturity, but this has not always been the case been in periods of time where sex has been rampant. I don't know quite the difference but perhaps the mass media icon of sex shmbols and interconnectivity with the world has led to this.

NTot always will body image improve, the stress of being worthy enough physically body wise is such a stress for many people for their partners that It can cause them mental and emotional stress, especially if their partner rejects them visually and uses them for sex, saying stuff that no one else will love them because they are ugly. Heck that can still happen to men, i'm sure.

And some people may not pressure sex, but thanks to societies norms of what to express sexually is rigidly followed to be accepted, that even if you tell someone they don't have to do it they might do it because they feel the need to be normal is to do it. I've talked to a few women who have felt pressured to give oral sex, even when stressed by their partner they don't have to, because they felt the need to from friends who have mentioned they have done it. It doesn't always matter what's in a relationship if society at large has effects on it.
And some people will pressure others into sex in many different ways no matter what some might say, which can really make them cave in or feel depressed because they aren't working towards the relationship or any other number of feelings they have.

 

wait till your married to have sex or else its fornication

 

That's correct it is, but in no way is fornication a bad thing, you're operating under the premise that fornication is bad, what proof do you have that it is?

 

The Bible also states "So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. Each man caught one of the women as she danced in the celebration and carried her off to be his wife. They returned to their own land, and they rebuilt their towns and lived in them." So I don't put much stock in the "Word of God"

 

Are you saying everything in the bible is to be held to the utmost truth and merit, that all lives should follow each word written in that book to the letter, because I fear to inform you, that the bible contains many things that are not to desirable to anyone I think.

"Deuteronomy 22:28-30
New International Version (NIV)

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

It is not a book of all knowing power that rules lives, it is not infallible and it is not to be taken without a grain a salt in mind.

 

I made a mistake, but I did edit my post.

 

This light hearted video gives many many examples of the bible contradicting itself, and yet you say all it's words are absolute? How does that work when one passage contradicts another, do you just follow the first one you read? Or pick your favourite?

 

Judges 21:10-24

New Living Translation (NLT)

19 Then they thought of the annual festival of the Lord held in Shiloh, south of Lebonah and north of Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. 20 They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards. 21 When you see the young women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to the land of Benjamin to be your wife! 22 And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be sympathetic. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find wives for all of them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not actually give your daughters to them in marriage.’”

23 So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. Each man caught one of the women as she danced in the celebration and carried her off to be his wife. They returned to their own land, and they rebuilt their towns and lived in them.

 

But it's in the bible.

You can't deny parts of something you dislike now when you act so loyal to it previously, pick your side.

 

Judges 21:19-25
New International Version (NIV)

19 But look, there is the annual festival of the Lord in Shiloh, which lies north of Bethel , east of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem, and south of Lebonah.”

20 So they instructed the Benjamites, saying, “Go and hide in the vineyards 21 and watch. When the young women of Shiloh come out to join in the dancing, rush from the vineyards and each of you seize one of them to be your wife. Then return to the land of Benjamin. 22 When their fathers or brothers complain to us, we will say to them, ‘Do us the favor of helping them, because we did not get wives for them during the war. You will not be guilty of breaking your oath because you did not give your daughters to them.’”

23 So that is what the Benjamites did. While the young women were dancing, each man caught one and carried her off to be his wife. Then they returned to their inheritance and rebuilt the towns and settled in them.

Judges 21:19-25
King James Version (KJV)

19 Then they said, Behold, there is a feast of the Lord in Shiloh yearly in a place which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goeth up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south of Lebonah.

20 Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards;

21 And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin.

22 And it shall be, when their fathers or their brethren come unto us to complain, that we will say unto them, Be favourable unto them for our sakes: because we reserved not to each man his wife in the war: for ye did not give unto them at this time, that ye should be guilty.

23 And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught: and they went and returned unto their inheritance, and repaired the cities, and dwelt in them.

These passages both come from the bible, the New International Version and the King James Version, nothing to do with mormons, these are the books the Christian faith use.

 

>People using quotes from the Bible to point out contradictions
>only uses parts from the Old Testament

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Well that's beside the point of the thread. Back to the main topic.

My stance on sex before marriage is very much like Noroz's. Sex is something that I believe to be very intimate and should be saved for the right time in a relationship. It's like all of the other steps in a relationship. I don't go into a relationship expecting to make out on the first day. We work ourselves up and we get to that point with time. Whether or not that right time is before or after marriage doesn't really matter to me.

 

It was not to point out contradictions, in this particular instance it was to point out the other things the bible says, and that having the faith to follow something JUST because it's in the bible is a fool hardy way to view things.

And I agree with your standpoint on sex, as long as it's special the timing doesn't matter, but I do feel that it's something that should be tried before marriage, as sexual compatibility is important in a relationship aswell.