Birth by Sleep set up the graveyard...TVA are going to die...

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  1. Radiowave ITSA PIIINCH

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    ok, you can kill me, but hear me out: I think that Terra, Ven and Aqua, are all going to die which could mean in kh losing their hearts or becoming spirits (like roxas and namine)

    why?

    Random Evidence from here and there:
    The Terra fight in kh2fm+ is called "Lingering Spirit." Remember, his name was leaked until a little after the youtube vids came out showing the fight...Whats a lingering spirit? One word could be "poltergeist" which is a type of ghost that haunts a certain area because they have unfinished business there and cannot truly die until the fulfill it...this suits Terra perfectly. The subs before the fight begin show Terra, and him "resting" (haunting?) he then looks at sora...and says xehanort a number of times...

    okay, I dont wanna jump to conclusions but...
    1. LSTerra is in the same place as the BBS trailer fight against Master Xehanort...
    2. He gets immediately angry when he sees sora, possibly mistaking him for xehanort...

    I have a feeling he'll keep lingering until this xehanort thing is cleared up...even after the kh2fm+ fight, instead of fading away, or disappearing, he just sits back down...resting...given the fact that he appears to be "poltergiesting" its quite possible hes dead...lingering spirit? nomura didnt name him that because he thought it sounded cool...

    Aqua
    In the "an old friend" cutscene we see xemnas go into "the room of sleep" and talk to what looks like displaced armor...its bluish...the same color of aqua's armor...not only that, but her keyblade is there too, if you look closely (I dont have the image on me...but u can find the cutscene here.)

    Ven
    This one is the hardest to fing evidence for...but we see roxas...either roxas is a reincarnation...or a nobody/heartless of ven? since roxas has clearly been named "roxas" and not "Xevn" "Vexn" "Exvn" "Nevx" its easy to say that the second point might not be true...

    finally:
    ok..."keyblade" masters as strong as TVA? With all the discord that was happening to the worlds in kh1/kh2 you'd figure they would do something about it, or that they would targeted...THEY ALL LOOK STRONGER THAN MICKEY! Remember, Mickey was only an apprentice in BBS while TVA were fighting MX and DS...
    so...
    they could no longer be alive...Im willing to argue that people that strong have strong hearts as well. The keyblade chooses the one who has the strongest heart...why would it go to sora if TVA were still alive???
     
  2. twilightsbringing Twilight Town Denizen

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    Kill you? Goodness gracious never! ^.^
    Well we do know that something bad happens to TVA, but death might be a little harsh. Erasure might be a possibility. I posted a thread about that here: http://www.kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=49622
    Death and dying is not a KH thing. Even some of the Disney Villains are brought back to life (damn Malificent). Nobodies don't exactly die, they just sort of fade away. ;3; Poor guys.
    About keyblades, what if Terra gave it to Sora? Once I get my theory done, I'll be able to explain better.
     
  3. AntiWeapon Chaser

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    Well.. yeah obviously somethings going to happen to them, and there going to have an excuse to not apear in kh1 and kh2.

    Also if you look closly on Aquas armor its all banged up.
     
  4. EvilMan_89 Code Master

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    the secret movie "Birth by Sleep" shows them all getting defeated by Xehanort, tho it looks like Terra was powering up at the end and Mickey showed up so maybe Terra powering up and Mickey arriving will be enough to win the battle?
     
  5. Ralor Twilight Town Denizen

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    I agree with some of what you say... but something I must point out... Ven is a NICKNAME, Nomura said so himself.... we have no idea what his real name is...., it could be the exact same name as Sora, or an anagram of it...., or I could be WAY OFF

    But really, we're just gonna hafta wait for BBS to come out and see.
     
  6. Radiowave ITSA PIIINCH

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    ven isnt a nickname...its short for "ventus" which means wind in latin...
     
  7. Omoide Destiny Islands Resident

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    I don't think they're dead at all.

    In fact I think it's more that they (Aqua and Ven) are the first heartless to exist.

    A reason (and theory) of why Aqua's armor is in Ansem the Wise's, is he finds more then just the young man who's near death (Most likely Tera+Master Xehanort=KH2!Xehanort) but also the heart of Aqua (Hence Xemnas can talk to her when he visits) and possibly her and Ven's heartless. This could also be the start of his quest to understand the workings of the heart.

    As for Tera being dead because he's a Lingering Spirit, I disagree. I think Tera is very much alive. I feel he "lingers" because he's waiting to take his revenge on Master Xehanort, feeling he's going to show up again in that area. I also feel that referred to as a spirit because that's possibly a hint at what the newer/pre-heartless creatures are.

    THEORY END!
     
  8. Nobody_XIII Traverse Town Homebody

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    About the keyblade, I don't think he gave it to Sora.
    I think that he chose Riku, because before you fight him in Final Mix he said this:

    Terra: Aqua... Ven... Keyblade... Who are you? I can feel it - we have met
    before. But when... No... it isn't you... It isn't you that I have
    chosen.
    Why isn't it him? Xe...ha...ort... Is that you? Xeha...nort...
    Xehanort!

    And in KH1 the keyblade choose Riku first.
     
  9. Zeftnon - The Superior Hollow Bastion Committee

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    In KH, death (just plain old death) does exist, and it's different from becoming a Heartless or a Nobody. In KH, you die when your soul leaves your body.

    Also, the fight in FM wasn't canon, meaning it isn't a part of the story, so you could say it never happened - it just foreshadows BBS. Nomura didn't even want to put it in, but a developer insisted.
     
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    Death is possible...BBS is supposed to have a darker story than all the other KH games so far. I doubt all three of them would die though...maybe they're just "resting" or something until KH3(haha...that will come out when the world ends most likely xD) brings them back. I don't really know but seeing as how KH doesn't seem to have main characters dying(other than the bad guys) I don't think they will die. At least I hope they don't.
     
  11. Radiowave ITSA PIIINCH

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    I actually doubt that ven is going to "die"...theres still the roxas element...

    we never EVER see any traces of Aqua...except for "an old friend."

    and this is a trend i've noticed with kh: every single darkness user, has been killed or died, except for riku. Riku I regard as a special character because hes Sora's best friend, and basically finding him is the plot of kh2...

    um...im sorry but you dont really have proof...=/ I cant really believe you...I dont want them dead, but there is some eveidence pointing that maybe they are...gone...from the world completely...as in dead...?

    oh yeah, not trying to be a jerk...but its Terra...not Tera
     
  12. Omoide Destiny Islands Resident

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    テラ spells Tera my friend. And until Square officially confirms the English spelling I'm not spelling it with two r's.


    Also if there is no evidence to support it, why is there a room with Aqua's armor and heart? Why is there a room with Ven's heart that has yet to be found? If they were truly and utterly dead there would be no rooms in existence.
     
  13. Zeftnon - The Superior Hollow Bastion Committee

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    You do know that Japanese names are spelled differently in English, right? Besides, it's DEFINITELY Terra:

    Riku (Japanese) is to "land" (english) as Terra (Latin) is to "earth" (english).
    Kairi is to "sea" as Aqua is to "water".
    Sora is to "sky" as Ven(tus) is to "wind".

    And yes, these name connections have been confirmed.

    About the "Room of Sleep", Aqua's heart wasn't with her armor - it was just the empty armor and the Keyblade.
     
  14. Omoide Destiny Islands Resident

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    If her heart isn't with her armor then who is the other voice that Xemnas talks to?
     
  15. Zeftnon - The Superior Hollow Bastion Committee

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    It's never been said that the thing Xemnas talks to talks back. Xigbar knows who Aqua is, remember? So he would've recognized her voice if she spoke. It's only been said that Xemnas talks to someone, but it doesn't mean that the other person talks back.

    BTW, what does the heart have to do with talking?
     
  16. Omoide Destiny Islands Resident

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    Oi, oi! No reason to get so worked up about a theory! It's a opinion that I feel has evidence. If you don't that's great, fine and fantastic. We are neither wrong or right at this point.
     
  17. Sora_The_keyblademaster King's Apprentice

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    Yeah but in my opinion I think that Birth by Sleep is after the Secret Ending of KH2FM cause if you see this trailer of the game someone has translated it and now it has subtitles I also added it in my blog. Anyway so at part of the trailer Terra says "I have a friend... Answer me Xahanort! What have you done to his heart?" so I think that after the secret ending I think that Ven get caught by Xehanort and Terra asks him what he've done to him!
     
  18. Zeftnon - The Superior Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Hey, I'm not getting mad or anything. I'm just treating this how theories should be treated: you give me your evidence, I give you mine.
     
  19. 00Roxas00 剛情のロクサス

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    Xigbar also tells Zexion that sometimes he hears someone talking back to Xemnas.
     
  20. daxma Hei Long: Unrivalled under the Heavens

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    00roxas00 it never said that.He only says he hears Xemnas talking to someone.
    Thanks to the only sub-titled BBS Vid i've discovered that the secret ending is based after the secret ending which means that they didn't die there, it begins there!! It contradicts alot of thie things people have thought. I had this theory in my head but now it's confirmed.This game is based after KHFMII+ Secret ending!!!! Ven has already lost his heart in the vid.I thought since the Armor wasn't complete this was based after the secret ending but you after proving it.Look at Zeftons thread to see it or go to KHInsider.com the center of all the least popular people imaginal.