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And THIS is exactly what I was trying to say in Vivi's wrongfully locked thread.

 

Then what would be a preferable response to that? Deleting the posts with the inappropriate content?

 

It still doesn't matter. Regardless of intentions, threatening to hack the forum is against policy.

 

Did you read what he said? I'm not sure what inappropriate content you are talking about. You didn't address his point at all.

You are taking the very few who come in and say "Can't we all get along?" more seriously than the majority who believe that they are getting along.

Reason why you would make a terrible staff member #1. Holding to the rules without remorse or forethought.

You cannot use a point as a means of proving the point. That is begging the question.

 

Preferable response to what?
People complaining? Like I said, make the people realize that they are a vocal minority and they should grow some tough skin. It may be harsh but certain communities aren't for certain people. By trying your hardest to appeal to the people *****ing about how "He swore at meeeeee" you alienate the people who have been here for a while and have gotten used to and grown comfortable with the mannerisms of this place.

And no this will not stop new people from coming to the forum as there are plenty of new members who seem to be perfectly fine with the general crazyness of the forum. People get over things with time, instead of changing the system because of a sudden overreaction just let people chill out for a bit.

 

I love how the rationality of Jube's two posts in this thread completely stopped the thread for more than ten minutes. There's three staff looking at this right now, do not one of you have anything to counter this with? Why have all of you fallen back and let Misty do all the work like in Vivi's thread when she said herself she encouraged you all to speak. We want to hear from you.

 

They're typing.

 

Don't worry staff, this isn't a rant.

Not to give you guys more reason to keep my old account banned, but I 100% agree with Jube. This has always been KHV's mannerisms. Always. I've been here since when 2005? 2006? Sure, I've taken three years off but I came back and not much has changed other than some usernames and less drama (ha!). The thing is, it's all about perspective. When you guys are just reading while shaking your heads with your arms crossed (a small part of what Envy is talking about with the locked thread), it looks bad. It looks like we're fighting and being brutish. But we're not. This is just how KHV has always been (what Jube's saying). People who're trying to integrate and getting offended at every little image of some anime character laughing aren't going to integrate well. Trying to create rules to change a population's mannerisms isn't probably going to work well. It's like going to Country Bumpkinville and demanding John Deere tractors aren't allowed because three very vocal hipsters think they're all rednecks. I side with the hipsters in this example, but you get what I mean.

And now to be banned again or at the very least be put on a watch list.

 

Kinda like when I said OP was a *** and got an infraction. I guess we can't even use tired old memes as jokes any more.

Oh well. No harm done. This is all pretty amusing to me.

 

Sooooo, end of thread?

 

Looks like it. We start making valid point and everyone runs away. But Misty says the others are typing, so I'll trust her. Hopefully things pick up in a few minutes.

 

I'm guessing they went to the staff section to do a team huddle. MSN team huddle?

 

Team huddle sounds good to me! We gotta get our plan of attack together before they fire back.

 

Apologies for the delay, we had to feed the chickens.

Which is why many of the other threads in the Spam Zone have not been locked, I would say.

This is completely understood. Much of the culture of KH-Vids is built upon this casual fun-poking, certainly. So perhaps it must be both ways. It is not necessarily the fault of the members in question if they get offended over something of the sort because people are offended to different degrees by things, which is why the veteran members must definitely be more careful. But at the same time, the mannerisms, as you say, have been ingrained to the point where these older members are used to these actions as well, really. However there are of course comments and times where the jokes in question can get out of line in regards to members not used to them and occasionally fall into the territory of fairly unsavoury behaviour or even to an extent bullying - even if (and usually) unintentional by the members playing around. But even this is not really justification to act in a manner that would be considered rude otherwise to new members especially. Even in this case, this is primarily focused upon when things do appear to get out of hand, and I can safely say that recent surges in this quality have led to what is this perceived increase in crackdown as well. Members in question can easily get used to the quality of the forum simply by staying for a bit, and even through this they will begin to understand which members joke in which manner of ways. So certainly, a compromise would be nice - we are not really saying you have to be sunshine and happiness all of the time, and would rather you keep the humour culture of the forum so it can be a lively place, but again, people should be mindful of their comments around members less well-versed with the culture of the forum and at the same time they will be able to learn about it. We want to make this a nice place for everyone, not just a smaller amount, and it would be easier if people acted a tad more accepting.

Also I wish to clear up that most of the rules had previously existed (with a few notable exceptions) but were relatively unwritten cases.

 

MSN team huddle is likely.

I'll be going to bed soon and won't be on until tomorrow night, so if the staff all flood in at once and then lock it while I am away that will be immensely annoying.

I guess we'll see how things go.

 

>A compromise would be nice
>Older members need to watch their footing.

So back where we started.

 

The original thread has not been unlocked, and that was a request I made. If members started seriously discussing the staff again it would get locked again. The reason why the others have not been locked is because the members are avoiding more locks by posting the same things again. Because the content of the threads is not the same, your argument does not apply.

While I am sure that the pacifying gesture is appreciated, I do not see any actual compromising in the works—merely an expressed willingness to compromise and claims that they may be made in the future.

Allow me to quote myself on this particular issue.

Please note the larger bits.

Once again, compromising would be nice. Can we see some?

 

To be clear, I was busy doing homework for a precollege thing and this has literally been my first free time all week so I really hope you guys are having fun because guess how I'm doing 8')

There's a difference between bros being bros and being over the line. What happened with some members before was over the line. There's a difference between using a Spiderman meme and using a Spiderman meme that's essentially a giant **** you to the OP. There's also the matter of if you don't like a thread or a person who makes a thread:

Don't respond to it???? It's like intentionally approaching a person you dislike in real life (and their friends) and messing with them knowing that things won't go over well. And that's the difference with those posts. They're intentionally ridiculing people, particularly newer members.

How do you expect them to run before they can walk? If you want to mess around with them and have them know you are, don't start them off with replies as stabby as you would a close friend. Personally, I call Misty a lot of names I would never call a newer member, because Misty and I have known each other and are comfortable with each other well enough to do such a thing.

It's not essentially what's being posted is wrong,
it's the intention and how it is seen by people who don't know you and who you don't know.

 

Now excuse me while I throw my 2 cents in here (And it's pretty goddamn late right now and I got home a while ago so excuse my general awkwardness), but as a staff team, we do prefer being careful. It doesn't work out so well most of the time obviously, but you guys don't make it easy on us either. We do make mistakes, but we also ask you guys to be patient with us while we try to improve things.
Contrary to popular belief, we do actually like it when you share your opinions, and we do not mind complaints. But they have to be fair.
What's all this talk about a staff's perspective anyhow? We're all members of the same forum. Just because we're moderators or admins or reporters, it doesn't mean we're not affected too. It is kind of offending when you guys say we shoo you away or we lock threads to shut you up. Like I said earlier, we're careful about sensitive type of topics. But I will admit that in some cases, that kind of attitude is misplaced.
If you do think there is a problem with the way we do things, say it. The more you bottle it up the more vocal and angry it's going to be. And trust me, it's better for everyone that we keep things civil. Not that it isn't right now, but just food for thought.

 

How do you expect them to learn to run if you make sure to stop people from running around them?

The intentions you speak of are most likely perceived. If someone is being overrun my spider-man posts and feels targetted by them then they need only join in and have fun, and not sweat the small stuff. I know who you're talking about and if the victim stopped acting like a victim I don't think there would be any targeting going on. That's my two cents about that issue.

If you think a specific member is being hateful, then speak to that member about being hateful. That's all that needs to happen. Cracking down on an entire class of older members doesn't seem like a good idea to me for many reasons. Locking the thread counts as that. Take the hateful people aside and let the others have fun. It doesn't make sense to get everyone in trouble because of the one who started it.