Kingdom Hearts II Roxas's heart, does it exist?

i dont think he has one, i think losing his memories made him sort of devolp a temp. one

 

Yes, you are right. I just meant that it was Sora that spoke to Kairi in that scene and who DiZ was referring to, in a way saying it as though Roxas and Sora were connected. I just worded it badly. DiZ did not believe Roxas had a heart though and even got on Riku when Riku said he felt bad for him. This is why Riku began to do things on his own, because he felt bad and thought Roxas had more to him than DiZ was willing to admit, hence taking the picture, the crystal etc and getting them to Sora. Maybe he was more referring to Roxas, but I just figured it was guided to Sora in the end since it was he who actually spoke to Kairi.

 

Both of them spoke to her... first Roxas, then Sora... but I guess we'll probably never know for sure the intention behind those words... unless it's in Days...

 

Not saying I think differently, but Roxas could be faking towards himself. Just because there is no one logically around when a child bangs its toe, it does not stop them screaming their head off. Perhaps not the best example, but you get the idea. He could have gone Psycho at the computer to fake to himself.

Nah.

 

It's pretty obvious that Roxas and Namine has a heart. The thing is, I'm not sure about Axel. He was infuenced by Roxas, and knew what it was like to have a heart because of Roxas, and memories of his original. Also, Namine and Roxas both like each other without knowing, or intending to. You have to have a heart to like someone. Plus, Roxas and Namine were actually supposed to disappear when Sora and Kairi went back to normal because nobodies are shells of left-non-hearted-bodies. Yet, Roxas and Namine were still there. I think this means that Roxas and Namine were supposed to exist. Axel, we will never know until Kingdom Hearts 315/2 days.

 

Yes, they both did speak to her. So I guess in the end he could have been referring to Roxas, or to both Sora and Roxas as one entity. It's hard to say right now. DiZ was kind of a jerk about the Nobodies.

 

Too true...

 

like with namine i say they have a copy of soras/kairis heart i know its odd but hey

 

ok sorry if im not on topic with whatever was posted in front of me but im pretty sure someone said that the key blade was linked to the heart then someone said that roxas' keblades arent really keyblades but fakes and a counteexample is that riku used the oblivion AND gave that oblivion to sora so that one HAD to be real...so yes roxas has a heart xD

 

I said that those blades seem to be 'reflections' of Sora's version... which does NOT mean 'fake'... however, I am VERY sure Roxas could only use the Keyblade because his Somebody could... and was still very much alive...

 

What he said. Oblivion and Oathkeeper were tied to Sora and thus to Roxas due to the fact that Oblivion is linked to Riku direct and Oathkeeper is linked to Kairi direct. This is why in Deep Dive, Roxas hurls Oblivion at Riku but Riku takes it and catches it. It's also why after Riku gives it back when Roxas is on the ground semi-out cold. They aren't 'fake' Keyblades but they are extensions in a way of the Oathkeeper and Oblivion Keyblades, as the Kingdom Key he has is as well.

Roxas, who is probably a part of Ven, was a Keyblade wielder, which does show he had at least a semblance of a Heart. However, he would probably not exist at all if it were not for Sora and those Keyblades were tied to Sora and the other two. So no, they aren't 'fakes'. But they aren't 'all Roxas's' either. Without the connection to Sora, Roxas probably would not have had -any- Keyblade, let alone two that were symbols of such importance to Sora himself.

 

psst: so do you think he has a heart or not?

 

Shhh...it's a secret... <.<

>.>

*leans in*

Yeah, I think he at least has part of his Heart. But...keep it on the low.

*runs off into the night*

 

well yeah at least part of the heart or a copy O.o

 

If my theory is correct (look for 'Something Newly Discovered' board), then yes. Roxas's Heart does exist. Yet it isn't exactly his own Heart.

It exists,but in a sense that it isn't really his,but it's there.

 

Lemme guess, you think it is Ven's heart?

 

In a sense. If you read it, you would see that it isn't exactly Ven's Heart,either. Just his spirit. :3

 

Roxas being very closed to Axel showed the emotion of love between two persons, the emotion of friendship. Since he developed friendship, he became close to having a heart, unlike Axel, Axel had advantage of getting one because of the friendship emotion and touching Sora's heart (Scene in KHIIFM between Luxord, Xigbar, Saix and Xemnas stated that Axel came close to touch Sora's heart. Thats way its shown that both Roxas and Axel act like they had hearts.

Also, in the scene in KHIIFM where Roxas is about to leave from the clock tower, when he dissapears, you see a tear, that tear belonged to Axel. Axel showed the emotion of sadness, since he was able to act more like he had a heart.

 

So you think he is running off Sora's heart through a link?

I still think it was Roxas's heart, as DiZ said Roxas turned his theories upside down. I think that Roxas having a heart is the only real explanation for that statement.

Also, the things the Org said, they could be... misinformed. Everyone thinks that Roxas could not have a heart.

 

I would say that Xemnas knew what he was talking about... however, that scene (if I remember right) never said anything about Roxas having or not having a heart... merely that Axel's sacrifice affected Roxas and enabled Roxas to have a second shot at life... by challenging Sora a little later...