Birth by Sleep Roxas & Ven (Spoilers from Days are Mentioned)

i'm sticking with the spirits getting mixed up therefore the nobody taking the form of ventus

 

I think i may have somethig that could be really important to this.

Spoiler

well i just started playing kh1 again and renember tarzans world
and the part where you had to collect the slides
the first slide was a picture of a castle and sora said "what is this place it looks familiar " "but ive never been of my island"

now i linked this in with ven using my malfunctioning brain ,
well i thaught what type of being in kh universe has someone else's memories
a nobody.
then i linked this to 358/2 where axel tells roxas "do you have a heart?"
and that it may be possible to gain a heart as a nobody. then with all 3 parts of a being he should be able to have a nobody = roxas.
this may fit into a diffrent theory or it is just comeplete wrong.

either way this is just an idea that sprung to mind and bear in mind im still asleep a little bit.

 

Okay...Aqua...Witch...assumed that she's similar to Naminé...maybe more powerful...

Alright...erase...erase...erase...what does "erase" means? Destruction? Annihilation? Or just kill? Why Aqua? Why can't it be Terra? Because Ven doesn't want his existence to be remember? So he needs the power that Aqua has (assume that she does has it)...wait...

What if only the memories of the person name Ven is erased, it didn't have to be his existence, he can just go on hiding...somewhere...

...anyway...why does Naminé have the ability to manipulate memories? Okay...so she's a nobody but a shell can only do what it originally could, but I don't recall knowing that Sora and Kairi having such an ability...something...something...fishy...

...Xemnas looks like a grown-up version of Terra, and he was talking to that empty armor...whose armor was it? Ven's? Aqua? and "Friend"? The guy is suspicious...

...so many hints...but I need some valid connections...some solid evidences...oohhh...

*Sigh* Sorry for not being of any help...

 

I see,...but they're both his friends anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter.

 

I think the unversed has something to do with it maybe ven is a unversed.
i think this because it links with being erased hes not well versed(not knowledgeable) with existence.he wants to learn more about it by knowing what happens if he never existed but can still see this because hes now roxas
sorry its a bit complicated i guess kh is supposed to be

so i think i have the bit we are missing

master xehanort was fighting terra and terra asked what have you done to his heart
later m. xehanort says to ven"it seems you are losing it give in to recover it"
this makes me think being "erased"is him surrendering and it recovers his heart but in sora's body then when his heart is released the hearts morph together
ven's body sora's memories

 

There's loopholes, and then there's just what's unexplained. The whole Soul concept hasn't really been mentioned other than a complete being consists of Heart, Body and Soul. I'm taking a gamble on it, as that is really all there is to explain in BbS, unless Nomura introduces a new concept to the mix (Which, I gotta admit, I wouldn't put past him...). Plus, I was bored :D

 

I don't know how many of you know this, but the word "sora" means "sky," or "air..." "Ventus" means wind, which is close to the same meaning. So, perhaps the theory of Sora and Ven being connected by Ven's heart and memories isn't too far off. I mean, when Aqua "erases" Ven, perhaps they didn't foresee him getting transferred to another person. Maybe Sora's and Ven's names being similar is a sign that they share some of the same kind of power...?

I'm kinda shooting in the dark here, as I have only played KHI and KHII. I didn't really get into CoM before the disc got destroyed. *sniffs* But, seeing the theories here, I get most of what's being said...

Just thought I'd contribute a little bit...

|D

 

ven asks to be erased so he gets his heart back he must of been a unversed because he didn't understand existence if he gets erased he gets killed but by surrendering his heart is reborn but in sora's body when sora unlocks his heart his and vens heart must merge creating ven's body and sora's memories

 

Also guys, what I have thought which might not be relevant at all, is that in KH2 FM+ you fight Terra after you beat Xemnas. I could write some stuff about what influence this has to the game and the KH series, but I'm too bored to do it :P Just throwing an idea, expand it if you want, something good might come out.

 

wow.. half of these theorys cause my attention fast..
so I started taking notes.

someone mentioned something about ventus being 'Sora's older brother'

well.. It is possible since we don't know much about him yet anyway.
Then the whole 'Erase me' thing her said to Aqua.
for all we know. She could have some link to Namine. Namine isn't a direct nobody right?
wasn't she a 'special' nobody.

Now since people are saying Roxas does have a heart. and Ven asking Aqua to erase him. I think he meant memories of him. for everyone else.

except for her. but [going with the Terra/xemnas theory]
some memories of him could have leaked to his 'friend'[Terra]

and 10 years or 9 years later the memories get unleashed again. but the memories lead to the one and only.. Roxas.

And lets just say not only did Aqua if she did 'erase' the memories of him to others. But to himself as well. causing him to forget himself.

THAT is where Roxas is tied with ven. It's ven's body that was left.
So I'm just saying. that due to Sora and Ven both being keybladers [and apparently guessing siblings]. In the midst of Roxas' creation. Something happened. causing 'Ven's remaints' and 'Sora's remaints' to combine into roxas.

that's all I got.. note that this is my first time making a theory so it might be bad.

 

Sorry to say that I pretty sure Roxas isn't soras bro in kh2. Remember in the end when roxas becomes one with sora (namine goes to kairi). So I think roxas is still the nobody (with the heart that he may have gained).

What does make sense is that Ven exists in Roxas as well as sora. And I'm starting to think that Aqua lives in part of Namine. (not certain) I think something dramatic happens in the end where Ven is the one that has to die or sacrifice himself to save "the worlds" and Terra was left shocked because he is the oldest of the three has been alive but in secret seeing his son (think its sora, haha haven't looked into that part) grow up and tests is strength in kh2fm. But thats KH3 story :P

It is still very possible that Ven still lived in Soras heart deep inside. Remember in kh Chain of Memories namine said sora will not remember her. And he corrects her saying that she said there are links in the heart and some deep down may be unattached but if you look deep inside you can re connect them.

Ven could have his memories in Sora but hes not uncovered them. The sad thing is that we won't completely know until kh3. BBS will show half the story like who Ven is and what happens to him as he gets erased.
OR
BBS could stop with a question. It could not even show what happens to ven after he gets erased. He may just be erased and in KH3 they show what happend through SORA's deep unlinked memories.

In many ways this makes sense because it gives a story to BBS and gives a reason and plot for KH3 as well as another link between Sora,Ven,Roxas,Terra,Aqua,Kairi and Namine.

Lots of ppl. This is just my opinion tell me what you think:)

 

Whenever Ven says "erase me," it reminds me of Chain of Memories, when Sora tells Naminé to go ahead and erase him. Now, I know that Sora really didn't have much of a purpose in telling Naminé to do that, aside from the fact that Marluxia would hurt/kill her if she didn't. So with Sora, it was his memories. But Ven obviously has a purpose behind his request. It must have something to do with Xehanort. I wonder if Ven is talking about his memories? The definition of "erase" in this game could also have something to do with that of The World Ends With You, even though they're completely separate games. But I haven't played much of TWEWY, so I don't know for sure what "erase" means in that game either.

I have a feeling that Ven is going to die or disappear or something in Birth By Sleep, but a part of him will go on living in Sora/Roxas.

Naminé has the ability to manipulate memories because she had a special kind of birth. For a Nobody to be born, a Heartless must also be born. When Kairi lost her heart, she didn't become a Heartless because she had no darkness whatsoever in her heart, which is why her body was still intact. Since Kairi's heart was inside of Sora, he had to become a Heartless to release her heart. And because of this, two Nobodies were born at the same time. Naminé was born from Sora, but since it was through Kairi's heart, she was Kairi's Nobody. So, she was a special Nobody because she was born in a special way. And also, she was the Nobody of a Princess of Heart, which was supposed to be impossible. I think that's why she has her powers. So, when Mike said "witch" in relation to Aqua, it made me think that maybe that type of powers that Naminé possesses are at least partially from Aqua, but maybe the strength of that power isn't as great in Naminé as it is in Aqua.

This might be irrelevent, but after thinking about it, what I want to know is this: since Kairi didn't become a Heartless, and Naminé was actually born from Sora, would it have meant that Kairi would still have been whole without fusing with Naminé? I know that Naminé would have disappeared if she hadn't fused with Kairi, but...would it have been possible for her to fuse with Sora since she was born from him? Maybe it's a plot hole, or maybe we'll be able to figure it out in BBS. Or maybe the explain some of it in Days as well, but I haven't played it yet, so...I don't know.

 

The scene in KH1 in HB with tht Sora as a Heartless event then changing back, that changed Kingdom Hearts forever and what you say tht Ven ISN'T Roxas, BUT Roxas IS Ven, that kinda makes sense but can someone tell me why an inage of Ven was in KH Days (i never got that far in the game stupid Pete agrabah event =[ ) with that scene in Wonderland it confused me liek hell and the JAP Subs dont help...

 

ven must have asked to be erased to gain his heart back he was told by m.xehanort that if he gave in his heart would return from darkness but since hes been erased it has no where to go and goes through the dark corridors on the way to kingdom hearts but got trapped in sora's body then when his heart is releases ven and sora's merged making roxas have sora's memories and ven's body when he took shape.

 

I have only one problem with this. Namine said that ones memories are stored in their heart, correct? So Ven replacing Sora's Heart with his own would basically give Sora Ven's Mind. Sora would have none of his own memories to base his personality and life off of, so it would basically be Ven reborn, would it not? I've not seen a lot of Ven's personality, so I can't say this is wrong. Something just seems odd about it to me... I mean, when Roxa appeared at the end of KH2, wouldn't Sora be a bit more Freaked out seing his own (albeit old) face staring back at him?

Also, while Roxas and Ven look identical, whenever one makes a Nobody, the Nobody ALWAYS looks slightly different to their True Selves, Hence, if Ven's heart made a nobody, it would look similar, but different to Ven. Xehanort and Xemnas are my proof, along with the Secret Ansem reports.

But I like the theory, and fits in well with KH, but I think it's a little too much like the situation with Kairi's Heart in KH1 for Nomura to use the idea again. I'm interested by your "Ven ISN'T Roxas, but Roxas IS Ven" Theory too.

 

ven loses his heart terra asks m.xehanort what he did to vens heart then later m.x is telling ven the only way to get it back is to give in

 

i just got something. roxas actually has a heart but Sora gets his back this is evidence that he has ven's heart

 

I wouldn't say Ven's heart.
But a heart, yes.
I'd like to think it was Ven's body and heart and Sora's soul
or Ven's heart Sora's body and soul

 

Video time!

okay heres my idea.
first watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd5L7b7Nfm0
Ven gets frozen.So around 10 years later,Sora becomes a heartless.So,what if Sora's soul went to Ven,and he became Roxas?

Thats my idea.Its pretty simple.
:dead: my eyes hurt.

 

Nomura said that Ventus had a very happy/friendly personality, while Roxas kinda has a temper and isn't too friendly. So Roxas has Ven's appearance, But Ven has Sora's personality.