Kingdom Hearts II Roxas is so great because...?

Okay, I have to know here...after seeing polls on Roxas vs Sora and also some threads on why people hate Sora etc....why are there no threads about how much Roxas was an annoying emo brat? Am I the only person around that thinks Roxas was selfish? Am I going to get slain for saying so? =:) I felt more sorry for Axel and Demyx and even Xigbar than I did for Roxas when it came to existences expiring.

Maybe someone else here sees my reasoning on why Roxas was a slight irritation to me. I don't hate the character, but just don't see why people don't seem to notice how rotten he was at times. Everyone can point out how bad Sora was or Riku was and some people focus on those negatives, but why not Roxas? Here are some things I noticed about the great character Roxas and it made me not really think he was such a wonderful person at all.

#1. Roxas is -selfish-
Roxas only ever seemed to care about himself through any scene of KH2 he was in. He found it necessary to prove himself, stand up for himself, do everything just to proclaim himself, whether he needed to or not. He left to go find out about why he had the Keyblade because it was about him and when he could get answers, he doesn't think. Everything in his existence seemed to be all about Roxas and he was really arrogant, even when losing. He probably could have convinced Axel to go with him, but instead just departs saying no one will miss him with a depressed, totally self-centered demeanor and doesn't even look at Axel -at all- to see his expression which was so sad. Sure, this changed when he went into the simulation because his memories were wiped and altered by Namine, but it doesn't change the fact he was all about himself throughout everything, and he only toned down because he was given "friends" and a fake world with less aggression.

Reason 2: He didn't care about his Friends
He really had no reactions about others suffering at all. He also was -so- dumb and yes, he was as dumb as people say Sora is, just not in the same exact way. It takes him hovering in the air and looking down at Sora and the painted glass with his friends in it to see why Sora fights and what's important to him. Roxas could have had friends too. He was a jerk about it all. At least Axel died for someone who would actually -like- him, or was appreciated after he gave his all. Sadly, even his scene with Roxas at the tower seemed about Roxas more than Axel.

Reason 3: He didn't deserve the Keyblade even if he was part of Sora
He had ties to others and yet refused to talk to someone who could -take- the Keyblade away, just attacked without a care and then tried to say he's so great. Roxas pretty well attacked Riku just as Riku had attacked Sora in KH1, bent on doing whatever it took to get his way. Why didn't he -ask- how Riku just took Oblivion from him after Roxas sent it at him in Strike Raid fashion? Roxas was out to slay Riku while Riku had to turn to Ansem so he would only knock Roxas out and not do any permanent harm. Despite Roxas's ferocity, Riku also was a lot more caring and sympathetic to him, Axel and Namine. He collected things so when Sora and he were together, Roxas wouldn't be forgotten. Some people may point out that Riku was supposed to capture Roxas, but Riku was -not- entirely sure he was for the idea and even tried talking to Roxas and learning about him. Riku consistently did things against DiZ's wishes because of Roxas and Namine. What did Roxas do for anybody?

As I said, I don't hate Roxas, but there sure are haters for Sora and Riku out there, who to me did a lot more compassionate and benevolent things than Roxas did. Even if they did mess up some things, mistakes happen. Maybe the KH: Zero game with him and Riku in it will change my mind because there will be more of him featured in it, but really...why do people like him so much? I can't even say he's a -bad boy- because he's not and he's not a -tough kid- either. He's emotionally a wuss and selfish. He can physically kick butt but other than that, he was very empty to me. I really do ask to get some other opinions and not just to do a total rant here so I hope others post and well...maybe I'll change my mind on some things.

 

hes so not selfish! he does care and stuff.and the reason he stands up for himself is because nobody would stand a take what he gets...and he does deserve the keyblade....he cares alot for his friends...so no hes so selfish

 

Red: I'm agreeing with it. When Axel died, it's not like Roxas was there to weep over his dying corpse(Although, he IS a Nobody).

Cyan: Riku tried to knock Roxas out to get Sora's memory back, Roxas just didn't care. Riku turned to Ansem for help, Roxas tried to go his own path. Agreed.

Green: Like I said, Roxas didn't care but Riku was going to extreme limits to help his friends. And I do mean EXTREME LIMITS. Agreed.

 

but think about it this way, if some guy was trying to capture you and trying to make you merge with a total stranger, wouldnt' you be a little hesitant?

 

Its usually common for people to dislike the main character for one reason or another

Or lets symplify it.......he's can use two keyblades without driving (bad argument yes, but that tends to be a reason for some..not me but some)

 

i agree that he's kind of selfish. when he left and axel tried to stop him, he didnt even seem to care, thinking only of himself.

i dont know what to say about this. i see what you mean about him hovering over sora to find out whats important to him. and when axel was disappearing, roxas wasnt there to say anything about it.

he only had the keyblade because he was part of sora. did he deserve it? i would say no, since he only used it for himself.

 

I believe that you make a good point in not liking him. You've also now made me wonder why a lot of people like him. But other than that, I think you make a very good point and I mostly agree with you.

 

THANK YOU!
I hate when people think there cool, because they hate the main character.
BUt I never really thought Roxas was that cool. When he went back into the Sora, it was just like "Good ending for him." But I see some people like "WHY DID HE HAVE TO LEAVE! I DON'T CARE WHAT SQUARE ENIX SAYS! THAT ARMOR GUY IS ROXAS!!!!"

 

/aggree with all/

I never really liked Roxas at all for the above reasons and the fact that, while Sora did become a Heartless and so Roxas should exist, or it would leave lots of plotholes, I just thought Roxas was a copy of Sora. When I booted up my PS2 and played KHII for the first time and finished the part with Roxas, I was like, "Finally! I get to play as Sora, the Main Character, not some copy."

Roxas' giant fanbase astounds me. =\

 

Ditto to that.

 

I agree with you. I don't really get why people like Roxas so much.

 

I can give you one guess.

His looks. =\

 

LOL, probably. But there are still better-looking ones. :P

 

Definetely....

 

i think he``s really cute....his sad looks rreallt cute

 

Well... Secondary main character, let's call him that.

I don't think Roxas has the ability to Drive into Forms with keyblades, I mean, you only have him for one chapter. Okay two. Yeah, and so could Sora at some points. Brave Form had two keyblades, but in forms you can't really drive at all, so that really complicates the argument a bit.

 

Well, thank you for posting whether you like him a lot or not. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks he was kind of selfish and well, not that great of a friend. As I said, I don't -hate- him and really usually I tend to like the main characters of video games, so it isn't just a typical negative reaction to the 'hero' thing. He's alright but I just wondered for a while if I was the only one who noticed his flaws. One of the things I will say about the KH games is that it's kind of nice to see that the heroes in the story are not perfect and every one of the characters has some negatives to them. It makes the story more real despite the fact Disney is in it. So I'm not an outright Roxas hater of course.

 

I agree I don't hate him either but I like Sora better. Simply because first he's got a hotter girlfriend lol. And he's based on me lol. Roxas ain't selfish. Remember when Ansem and Riku took Namine he wanted them to let her go. Remember? But he's also whiny.

 

-I agree with you entirely, still there is one good part that I did like about Roxas which was really just the situation- Getting the stick chucked at him so hard it made him TRIP. That had me laughing for a while, and I had no idea why....-

Anyway, the tiniest iota of a reason as to WHY he may be really selfish is a combination of two facts:

1. He is a child. Plus 2. The Organization really did not treat or trust their "neophytes" well, case and point Larxene (and Larxene as we all know is a bully so she probably had some hand in that). So really, it's not like the selfishness/emo poofs out of nowhere (or at least I would like to think this of the KH-devolpment staff) if you give it some thought.

Other than that, yes he is a little weinie.

 

I agree with pretty much everything said here, but isn't it just as bad to hate on Roxas? Also, I'm not sure about this, but did Namine change Roxas' personality to be nicer when he was put into the digital Twilight Town?