Kingdom Hearts II riku's nobody

That's the crappiest crap I've EVER heard!

 

What, that Riku never lost his heart?

Okay, whoever said THAT oughta' be ashamed. Don't you now Riku lost his heart in the first game and became a Nobody(For a short amount of time, no less)in the second?

 

Thank you- that's the 100% right answer. Plus, if you played FFVII you'd know that Sephiroth couldn't be Cloud's nobody- their connection is different (trying to avoid spoilers here...).

I don't think Sephiroth is a nobody either, but Roxas doesn't look like Sora...

What? He wouldn't have gotten a Keyblade if his heart wasn't strong enough...

His heart didn't get lost, it just turned dark. I may be paraphrasing but Yen Sid said something along the lines of...

"The Heartless are created from the darkness in people's hearts."

This darkness of the heart is essentially what happened to Riku.

 

You know I always wonder how some people come up with these theories. Correct me if I'm wrong, Riku did not lose his heart. It merely turned dark. Therefor, he can't have a nobody

 

^thats right^
riku just turned dark.

 

Thank you...Thats what I thought

 

Correct. Just what I was trying to point out.

 

I don't think Sephiroth is a nobody just because he belongs to the FF7 game. Er, does that make sense?

I might be wrong though.

 

he isnt a nobody at all...sephiroth I mean...sephiroth is just a part of cloud,his darkness or whatever

 

FACT: Sephiroth is a nobody.

But he's not someone's nobody.

 

Not fact. If you played FFVII You'd know he is not a nobody. His relation to Cloud is different.

 

People need to stop using the FF's as arguments. FFVII's storyline has almost nothing to do with KH.

In other words, FFVII's Cloud and Sephiroth is not the same as KH's Cloud and Sephiorth.

 

Sephiroth=Riku's Nobody?

I may have to kill someone for saying that.

Anywhoser...

I think KH Sephiroth is a manifestation of the darkness from Cloud's "own dark memories" from the past. Cloud has to keep fighting Sephiroth because he "turns [his] back on the light of the present and live in the past" where his darkness still resides.

The fact that Sephiroth is the dark part of anything in the KH storyline shows that he is not a nobody of anyone. Nobodies are rejected by both the light and the dark.

 

you can't use ff storylines in kh arguements please read the quote above!!!!

 

I think he's Cloud's Nobody for some reason..

 

I don't know why people keep trying to say Riku has a Nobody. He doesn't. He never gave in -totally- to Darkness and was never a Heartless. He was tossed into Darkness unwillingly but survived in spirit form and his body was returned to him after Xehanort/Ansem's Heartless was booted out. That's why Riku had to remain in Darkness and then later confront Xehanort's Heartless. His whole spirit, mind, soul etc were cast out of his body so he could not have possibly had a Nobody unless there's something weird going on.

Also, Sephiroth could be fought well before Riku agreed to let Xehanort's Heartless have his form to save Kairi. There's no connection between Riku and Sephiroth at all. Sephiroth -may- be Cloud's Nobody...or Heartless, perhaps in the KH storyline but we may never know since the FF canon characters really for the most part are just fillers for fun and their story lines aren't that explained or important. They are more meant to be amusing and to see what KH does with the characters, more than work on any actual solid plots explaining everything about them.

 

Well,i think riku doesn't have a nobody,because he didn't lose his heart.Also sephiroth isn't a nobody.I don't know THAT much of final fantasy but i think that sephiroth is just the other half of cloud,which happens to be evil.And that's it.Nothing more,nothing less.

 

First of all, Riku never lost his heart, he just gave in the darkness. And Sephiroth is bad guy from Final Fantasy VII. And Sephy is not Cloud nobody, cause Sephiroth was born before Cloud.

 

Listen to Repliku, he knows what he's talking about. In my opinion, Riku lost his heart to the darkness but he didn't lose his heart in the process, he just lost his body. Many people, even myself, get mixed up or even mistaken Riku as Sephiroth because they look alike but I'm sure that is Nomura's doing. According to FFVII, Sephiroth and Cloud are nine years apart so the topic of "Cloud's Nobody" is out of the question.

 

That was referring to Riku used the Darkness as Riku says himself, he suppressed the Darkness in his heart, and released it to take Roxas down without doing more harm to either of them. He became trapped in the form of Ansem/Xehanort's Heartless but he again also was 'traveling the path of Twilight to the Dawn'. This meant if you think about it, Riku would have to deal with the Darkness left in his Heart, going more to dark (night) and then back to the day. Riku never lost his heart. He had it the entire time. When he says Riku was -lost to Darkness- he's referring to the fact that Riku himself, wholly allowed himself to do what he needed to and was trapped in Darkness's body, Xehanort's Heartless. It doesn't mean Riku tossed himself into Darkness like the Org people did. He was in total control of Xehanort Heartless's form. He was there.

Also, if you look at Cloud's face structure and Sephiroth's they are a lot alike. Cloud is just a lot shorter than Sephiroth but even their muscle build is similar despite the size difference. Best way to see this really is looking at Advent Children pictures of them both and try to imagine them without hair. Their eyes are a different color, but I believe also the same shape. However, as someone pointed out, if they are going -at all- off of FF7, Sephiroth was alive well before Cloud. So there's no way he could be a Nobody of Cloud. However, I really don't think KH even wanted to delve that far as to make a reason about the characters, because they are not the focus of the story.

Also, someone said Roxas didn't look like Sora...yes he did. The only thing different was his hair that was a bit less spiky and blonde instead of brunette. Namine also had the exact same face as Kairi and body structure, though Kairi looked a bit older as did Sora.

And Riku's heart is too weak to make a Nobody? Even Xehanort's Heartless told Riku his heart was weak at the moment he confronted Sora. He did not say it was weaker all the time. I'd say after all Riku went through he has a very powerful Heart. After all, he was the initial intended Keyblade wielder to begin with and after a year of harrowing self improvement and researching to get things set straight and fix his mistakes in himself, he earned himself a new Keyblade, and could make a pseudo-Keyblade for Kairi to boot, before he got Way to the Dawn. He could have easily despaired after a year and many people would have. I don't see how anyone could really miss that, but then again, Riku's doings were so shaded behind what everyone else did, yeah, I take that back. Nomura really should have done more with that character instead of concealing him so much.