Kingdom Hearts II Riku with a Nobody

Well, the emblem heartless are artificially modified heartless. What's stopping Nomura from creating an artificially modified nobody?

 

This kinda makes me wonder. Riku takes the appearance and the powers of Xehanorth's Heartless, just think about it because Xehanort's Heartless was a heartless.

 

Maybe Riku will do a double weild with a nobody based keyblade because of his interaction with Org. 13.

 

I'd say that's doubtful. It's not the Orgy that makes dual wielding possible, it's Roxas that does it 'cause he's cool like that. Besides Riku's style couldn't be logically modded to a dual blade version. I'm not even sure why he has a keyblade. It just appeared suddenly in TWTNW. Before he was using Soul Eater in LoD and Twilight Town. Oh well I think it'll all be explained.

Also, to your statement on the previous page. Emblems are artificially created like the keyblade of darkness. I don't know if Nobodies could have an equivalent because of logical reasons. It's possible. But, the point is that we don't know.

 

I had thought that too but I think no.

 

Well let's see, proof we have of sort of how the process CAN work.

When Destiny Islands began to be fade into the darkness, after Riku had intentionally taken the dark path out of there, as Kairi's heart is one of the purest, and allegedly immune to the attack of dark forces, it took refuge in Sora's heart, and Sora & Kairi's bodies were merely drafted away from the island by the dark portals, Sora & Kairi's heart ended up in Traverse Town, while Kairi's body ended up elsewhere... presumably Neverland. Kairi's heart exited her body, but from a reliable source, (Ansem's reports) we know that didn't create Namine'. When Sora unlocked and opened his heart with the special Keyblade, for reasons unknown (as it effected Maleficent differently) it released Kairi's heart as expected, AND turned Sora into a Heartless at the same time... and THIS event is what brought about Roxas and Namine'. But there is one thing to note; Sora still ended up with his body, soul, AND heart, while Roxas remained alive..

For Riku, he began using the powers of darkness, he obtained the Dark Riku form, used it once for additional dark power, opened himself up to the darkness and let Xehanort's Heartless into his heart, went into Dark Mode for the time that Xehanort's Heartless was in control, his heart struggled and fought His Heartless, only to be pushed back and eliminated from the body, which Xehanort's Heartless made his own... Riku's heart likely sent back to the dark side of Kingdom Hearts, up until Xehanort's Heartless was eliminated, then Riku presumably regained his body and soul and thus his form, but remained behind Kingdom Hearts because of how he got there (in other words he belonged, since he went there as just a heart) And Xehanort's Heartless still left a seed of sorts in Riku's heart, which was the basis for Riku's story in Reverse/Rebirth, and technically, Riku did somewhat become a Heartless when he took on the so-called "Ansem"'s form... So, who knows?

 

It's pretty evident on how it would work when Riku was at Hollow Bastion in the 1st game. And if that doesn't really work, just look at the beginning of the 1st game, duration of CoM, or even KH2 when he fought Roxas. Any of those things serves at pretty good explanations and they're not very tedious.

 

Try to remember that there have been special nobodies made. Such as Namine being made due to Kairi's heart being in Sora's body. Riku could have a nobody be made when Xehanort's Heartless "borrowed" Riku's body but it is kinda hard to imagine why he wouldn't have joined the organization or even shown up yet.

 

I see your point. However, if you think about what a soul is you'd notice (or at least I did) that the soul is in essence you. The soul is your personal essence the mental and spiritual parts of you. In a Kingdom Hearts context it embodies the mind (so it seems.) Heartless are hearts engulfed by darkness. They have no higher brain functions due to lack of a soul and thus personality. Riku however went to Kingdom Hearts when he was separated from his body. His heart wasn't overtaken by the darkness. However, how did he retain his will and mind? His soul must have gone with it or something. This is at least how logic seems to point. Also, it looked like Ansem Seeker of Darkness was obliterated at the end of KH. I assume some of him was left in Riku's heart, so that's how he returned later. But I'm sure the possessed body was destroyed in the process. Thereafter leaving Riku as a disembodied 'being'. We do not know the nature of the 'Dark Side' of Kingdom Hearts. The rules could be different there. This still leaves unexplained how he could return for CoM. As such it's very likely that this is wrong and you're right. However this is how I see it.

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True, special Nobodies have been made. This doesn't mean they can be made from totally ridiculous scenarios. Suppose Xehanorts Heartless did steal body and soul. The body and soul would not be moving with a will of it's own. It's like saying you can make a living man into a zombie. The rules of a Nobodies creation aren't totally broken in the special cases but in what you're suggesting they are.

 

Question: What are YOU suggesting it is?

 

Um, I forget at this point. I can't keep my thoughts together so I often see mistakes that confuse me later. I think this is one of those times. I could have been saying that it's impossible for a complete being to become a Nobody or someting along those lines.

 

Well those lines are pretty wrong, as disproved by the subject matter.

Sora (complete) - hearts = Shadow Heartless & Roxas (only body & soul)
Shadow Heartless + Light of Kairi's heart = Sora (restored body & restored heart)

 

lmfao i luv this game more than ne one especially the story line but does anyone else find it weird that people are saying that There statement makes sense logically in a completely illogical game

 

In the way you put it, yeah, it is weird, but it's fun to speculate how the game's story will progress, and to do so, one would have to blend one's own logic with the game's logic, which I have to say is a little far from normal...

 

Nobody

Riku is a complete human and a nobody.


He lost everything but his body when xenhort took over but when he was destroyed his heart and soul were realeased and went to his body which became a nobody thus making him human again but since his nobody was not destroyed he retained his nobody abilities the power of twilight. If this did'nt happen riku would have been obliterated when he entered the realm of light cause he becam darkness just like ansem was obliterated when kh opened.

 

You're not seeing what I mean. I'm saying that this won't work.

Riku-Heart+Heart=Nobody

He does end up all in a complete part and he never was a Heartless. He may have been separated but since nothing happened to him making him a Heartless or Nobody then and there we can say that he never was a Nobody or had a Nobody. So, well yeah. I think that's how it goes.

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I would like to say that for the record there is no power of "twilight". There is light and darkness. Riku uses Darkness even though he still has light it doesn't give him power. He never uses light attacks or anything he couldn't do in Dark Form. This twilight thing is just no logical. All he said was twilit road to dawn. So if anything why doesn't anyone call it dawn power? That's all.

 

So most of you are basically saying that Riku can be two things at once?

 

Doubt it, you can't be whole nd a nobody, he just never had a nobody...

 

i don't think so. he went into darkness, but he didn't become a heartless.

 

I'm saying someone else said that. And that they were wrong to say so. I worded it badly sorry.