Birth by Sleep Re-posted: Keyblades at all?

Well Sora can knock back anything with a wave of his keyblade...

Maybe... about Riku's Soul Taker...

Lets leave the armor out of this... its confusing enough trying to figure out the weapon without going through the entire armory.

No problem...

Perhaps that battle took place prior to the in game content, when Terra Aqua and Ven were inexperience, and MX and DS were Level 99 with all the Drive forms maxed out.

What an RPG game is, is improving your character throughout the story, until one becomes strong enough to take on the ultimate opponent, aka the last boss.

I dont know... explain what your thinking.

I don't believe it draws out the true power... True form, maybe... but power no.

Look at how weak the Kingdom Key is. Compare that to Ultima.

Perhaps he is inexperienced in BbS, he is an apprentice after all.

I agree, each keyblade seems equaly strong as in its singular form.

Ok... you know the "successor keyblade theory"? You know, that Terra, Ven, and Aqua chose who were the Keyblade masters in the KH story... now what if one is Ven's keyblade, and one is Terra's? And Sora's magic clothes allow him the streanth to summon both at the same time.

1, It could be possible that its Terra's power that mutates it. Kinda like Sora could summon two. It may be Terra's "Drive"
2, I think MX did more than just freeze it. It could be he knows a special way to destroy the weapon, be it a keyblade, or a chaserblade.
3, Probably, or perhaps it adjust to its user. Notice Terra is a big strong guy, so he gets a big strong one, wheras Ven gets a lightweight one.
4, I don't know. I'm still sceptical on that one.
5, Um... could you explain that one a little better. Sora seems very physical, not very spiritual.
6, Perhaps... I don't know either way.

What? Ok... :(

Just kidding!

I don't mean to come accross as though I'm in a war, thats just how I probe theories, I say what I think, and make people shoot holes in them. I also take my shots at there theories as well.

 

True. But is that Sora's power or the keyblade? (I doubt it would work that way with a wooden sword)

As for the soul taker, I will place that in a different class entirely, and say that it was made using the same methods as the Chaserblades, but had the princesses' hearts sealed inside it. As we both lack knowledge on it, how about we leave it out of any discussion for shooting holes in other people's theories, and only reference it when constructing a theory.

Same idea as the soul taker, 'kay?

Nice way of putting it. This is plausible, but I can still use the theory. If MX and DS are maxed out, I think they might have the stronger weapon. Also we saw little of the chaserblade doing the tricks we all love. Any shots of it doing that sort of thing?

What I mean is that the keychain could be on it because of a strong heart, not that the strong heart does everything with no assistance.

I do actually have a response for this, albeit one that you will dismiss with ease. It could be referring to the keychain in general drawing out the keyblade's true power. *prepares to be shredded* Also, power can be more than just war power. It said true power. Leads me to suspect something.

I suppose. You get this point. (Thought: Perhaps the eye change at the end signified the unlocking of that power, like a drive)

Heard the theory, in a shortened state. I do not like that idea of yours, as Roxas wields two at a time, and so does Riku. (at least in the Erkz theory of the Kairi keyblade being a dual wielded one.

My personal idea is that Ven lies dead/dying, and Terra passes on his spirit to Riku, but Ven refuses him (perhaps because of darkness) and goes to Sora. This works as it is "not the one I chose" so it fits with that line.
I think that dual wielding is just a skill of Keybladers.

1. Will not answer yet. I like the idea though.
2. Sounds very plausible. Look at all the other chaserblades in the canyon. Dead, like Ven's. Possibly the failed Experiments of MX, or even a graveyard of chaserblades he destroyed.
3. I meant that a user cannot decide "forget this design, I want a flower! They can only shapeshift the materials there.
4. Well I still need a quote, but it is there somewhere. I was only listing the points. Are you disagreeing with what I think it means, or if evidence exists?
5. By this I mean the chasers use the real material in the keyblade, while Sora can change the forms in a magical type of way, with flashy lights.
6. Unknown. Works for me. Erkz, any ideas? You brought it up.

No problem with trying to defend theories, but no defending to the death stubbornly, like we ended up doing last time. okay? ;)

The main idea here is to be more passive than aggressive.

 

This might seem stupid but i just remembered something (yes i suggested that this debate should wait but screw that) Sora fought who we think is Terra -with good reason but with Terra's mask ON.

We couldnt tell if Terra's eyes were yellow or not under the mask...

The keyblade's power measures itself to someone's heart: Its all about whose stronger...Sora's heart has been more powerful than anyone who tried to take the keyblade...so its always come back to HIM. Yet in kh1, that moment where Riku's heart usurped sora's and the kingdom key went to HIM.

The chaserblade might be different, is what im saying. It might unleash its true form not by a keychain, but by the amount of energy someone adds to it...In the BBS trailer, we didnt see any flashy lights or anything. Notice how throughout the entire trailer TVA only used normal strikes (swinging the keyblade, running at the enemy, etc.) So when Terra's eyes turned yellow it could be that he was putting in a lot of power into the chaserblade, and it might start reacting in the way we all know and love (shooting balls of light, morphing, etc.) After all, theres good reason that in the kh2fm+ fight his eyes could have been yellow. He seemed angry at the start of the fight...

 

i was thinking earlier that perhaps the battle from the trailer happens right after the three characters come thogether (reunite?)(almost mid-game)

i still think that those chaserblades are the prototypes for the actual keyblades, or perhaps they didnt need or didnt want a keychain ,but that still leaves the starseeker(soras second keyblade )

but perhaps yen sid, and MX where the only ones capable of creating keyblades with keychains?

actually , terra looks pretty much like riku did in kh 1, selfish........you can even notice it in the trailer.

that was kinda off topic , but really why did they have chaserblades when they could have ones with keychains?

could be three things:

they coulnt wield them, meaning they didnt have what it took, or were only apprentices at the time

or

the chaserblades were somehow better or just as strong as the ones with keychains.

or

the ones with keychains were limited or recently created


well those seem like the only reasons......are there more?


is my point worth taking into consideration now?

cause i think im onto something now

 

Well it does work with a wooden sword with a honey comb stuck on the end...

Just kidding I see your point.

I only defend my theories to the death if I know I'm right, like last time.

My style is aggresive... look at my mood, its always daring, unless I'm sick. I'll try not to destroy every theory I think is wrong, just shoot little holes in them, in order to refine them...

:guns2:

The most interesting coherent theory I read.

Perhaps chaser blades are obsolete Keyblades. And MX figured out to have two keyblades. Also, there is the mysterios second master. Who knows, they may have plugged in Yen Sid, since he is one of the most powerful wizards in Disney history.

I still think the Chaser blades are somehow just as strong. Perhaps the Chaser blades cannot unlock every door, like Keyblades do.

 

Wait!!!!!!!!, guys i think you should watch this.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_sdAZJGqzg

the beggining it talks about the keyblades in an amsem report, and perhaps the apparenace of Kingdom hearts had something to do with the creation of the keyblades with keychains?

what is the purpose of the keyblade?, it can affect the heartless and Kingdom hearts(idr how right now)but it somehow returns hearts to kingdom hearts and the heartless appear 9 years before the first game, perhaps chaserblades dont have the ability to purify heartless or affect kingdom hearts, or open doors like the keyblade does since , the events take place 10 years, there shoulnt be any heartless ,right?


maybe yen sid prepared starseeker because in the trailer you can see the (possible)event that alters the worlds ' and the possible advent of heartless into the worls'



does the keyblade have another purpose?....

i mean why have the object if it does not serve purpose?


they might be just as strong ,but i think their functions differ,

but, the fact that ,VAT's keyblades have a keychain holder, makes me wonder.........

 

Ok... I'm really starting to think Chaser Blades are primitive Keyblades... perhaps nearly as powerful, but not as well developed.

Kingdom Hearts is very mysterious... although I doubt it appeared after keyblades.

The thing is, Keyblades are the easiest way to reach kingdom hearts, since it unlocks all doors. That seems to be the primary connection between Kingdom Hearts, and Keyblades.

As already debated in another thread... Keyblades are not the only weapon which can purify a heartless and leave only the heart. Masamune, Buster Sword, The Gunblade, and Stitches Slimeguns can as well. Its possible that the strength of the heart of the weapon's user is what purifies the heartless rather than the weapon itself.

Maybe Yen Sid is the other master, who created the Star Seeker as a counter Keyblade to MX and DS keyblades...

It does have a purpose many purposes, be an awesome weapon, and unlock whatever you want, open the barriers between worlds, seal the heart of worlds, charge magical items at will, and purify heartless. Its like the Swiss Army Knife of the universe.

We know little about Chaser Blades... they may in fact only be weapons. Perhaps Terra's has the ability to morph, but that may be either his power alone (notice he waves his hands around it every time it morphs.)

But if Chaser Blades can morph on thier own (meaning Terra isn't special), they may still lack the other abilites of the keyblade.

I actually do not see a key ring on Terra's blade. Is there on on Aqua's and Ven's?


Also, I still think Terra gets orange eyes because he really Xehanort. *Gets tackled by Erks*

 

umm, its been disscused?,.....
i dont think......,,

i really doubt the fact that every weapon purifies heartless(just because the hearts float away.....doesnt mean).......if the keyblade wasnt the only purifier....then why did xemnas go after sora?
he could have used anyone, or just done it himself......

well, i was watching ,antiweapon's renders and they show what COULD be a keychain holder.......

i think the appaerance of kh, had something to do with, the advent of heartless ' lets say yen sid, sensed the coming darkness' and warned his pupil ,mickey, and gave him the starseeker so he could go and face the upcoming events


but, thats just a theory, and still doesnt answer the question , what or why or by what are the worlds separated by?



if they were tied to the darkness(kh 1) then were the separations created also by darkness?(possible bbs events)


i may sound off topic ,but if anyone could answer this?..........

if keyblades are the connection to kh, then, once MX opened the way to kh(trailer) the chained keyblades ,might be able to connect and open kh, whereas, the chaserblades may not be able to........so maybe thats the difference............. but if we say that keychains represent a strong bond of memories

if VAT 's keyblades do have keychain holders..............

it may be that the keyblade takes the memories of the wielder and thus it isnt bound by strong bonds of memories, but by the memories and power of the wielder........

makes some sense?

 

Oh my god... its hapening... someone brought up Xemnas, purifying hearts, in a thread me and Pika_power are posting on...

All that needs to happen is Destiny's Force and Repliku to pop out and we have WW3 all over again.

The realesing of hearts is discussed from page 20-23 of a debate me and Pika_power were involved in.

For the sake of sanity... lets leave Xemnas out of the arguement.




Ok, back to topic: KH is still mysterios. It may have exsisted before heartless, or it may have been created by heartless since heartless have been arounds since the begining of time apparently.

KH itself may have created keyblades as a counter to the Heartless's evil, and only those with strong hearts can summon them.

 

LOL!
in wich thread......
well im actually looking foward to seeing repliku disscuss this also

ummm, i think that the heart of all worlds(kh), had existed since the beggining of time but, the heartless are still in question,

right now im feeling sleepy, but ill come back and check the thread later.......=right now i cant articulate my thoughts correctly,,../.

 

Uh oh! Edit that out, NOW! I do not want that here! We spent around two months fighting over the org and the hearts released. (Link can been seen in my sig, click on ICSP.) To answer the question about the org, I imagine it was because Sora was one of the most skilled at releasing hearts, and that the heartless are naturally attracted to him because of the keyblade.

Anyway, the direction is going where I thought. The Chaserblades would have been made for the purpose of perhaps killing the souless? (or whatever the new enemies are.) While the keyblades were made to go to Kingdom hearts.

I think I have an idea of the plot, loosely. MX and DS get keyblades to unleash kingdom hearts for some obscure reason, like everyone else. The heroes will try to stop them, they will fail miserably in the middle of the game. Mickey gets his keyblade, and goes to the spot of the battle, and saves the day/saves the good guys. They then embark on a quest to finish off the bad guys. Ven gets hurt, Terra tried to seal his heart in Riku's. instead Sora gets it.

At the start of KH1, Mickey fortells what might happen with KH, and he knows two keyblades are needed to close it. (or open it) So he sends Donald and Goofy to find the second one.

As for the rest of the things you said, I did not really get much of it. The Chaserblades I think are just formed from normal metal, opposed to anything magical. That would explain why they broke, and why they can only mutate.

 

you know what........i refuse to edit it, not because i wanna pick a fight, but because of the fact that :

1.i started posting to actually shed some light on the subject, not start a cataclysmic spam war.........

no wonder, theories get sidetracked..................

2.i asked for the sake of sheding more light, or would you contradict your own thread?

3. its not my problem, i mean your past "cataclysmic clashes"(no, really, i saw the past thread , total melee destruction) i really think that, me being the youngest should be preventing your "all-out -destruction-disscussions" , and even if i wasnt the youngest , i think youre old enough to solve this like mature people




and , you shoulnt involve me.........., its your problems ,not mine, i havent done anything wrong..........,


back on topic: what i meant was that perhaps when the keyblade has no keychain, it works using the memories of the wielder ,and not the one of the keychains

but, really ill apprecciate if you understand my reasons for refusing, i do respect you, but, i think its rather childish to involve me.

and im not going to get started on the fact that the whole two month debate could have been avoided ..............

 

Ok... i'll refrain from "Was Sora Justified?" revisted... just don't bring up releasing hearts again...

But if Chaserblades are simply metal, than how can Terra manipulate his blade in such a way?

Also, why do people say that Chaserblades are linked to its weilders memories? Is there some evidence that Ven has amnesia that I haven't heard about? I think that is such a bold statement we need evidence to back it up.

 

XD...

but yes.. even i'd like to know plzzzz

 

I was just joking about editing it...

Anyway

1. It isn't really a spam war that starts up, nor a flame war... More a logic fight.

2. Good point, fine.

3. Define youngest please. Do you mean years, or time on the site?

The problem with the chaserblade reflecting memories is that memories change over time. More memories come. Also, ICSP, Erkz and I made a theory that it is the keychain that contains memories of someone (or event). The "any trinket that holds memories/a link with someone for the keyblade master" theory. We think this is an okay theory, but by no means the definitive theory. Feel free to add to it.

ICSP is right though, when he says that proof is needed of the chaserblade reflecting memories. We have a bit of proof with keyblades, but not chaserblades.

Also ICSP, when you ask "if the Chaser blades are metal, how can they be manipulated?" I think the reason is that they can be manipulated to the metal's extent. Meaning that the metal bits can be changed, stretched, extended, but not change colour, or take on different properties, such as being made of wood, like the circle of life. Think of them as Ivy's sword (from soul calibur) on steroids.

 

... Ven "lost something important" according to Baldynort. And if he doesn't get it back soon, he'll lose it forever. Or something. I dunno. My memory of that whole thing was fuzzy. But he definitely lost something. Xehanort is the one with amnesia... X.x

=.= Random off topic thing, but something's nagging me, telling me that Chaserblades might not be able to liberate hearts...

 

Yeah but was Sora falling from a cliff?

 

so the keychains arent necesarily the memories of a person?

and ,yes i meant youngest as in age..........


i dont think are only metal........i think chaserblades are a prototype for the actual keyblades.....

 

Mere rock. His keyblade has experienced worse. Whatever. That point has been dropped slightly, now we are concentrating on the differences between the Chaserblades and keyblades.

Erkz: About Ven loosing something dear to him. Perhaps Terra's heart/soul/friendship? Something like that. I doubt it would be memories. Something heart related.

As for the Chaserblades liberating hearts... It is irrelevant. Remember, the time of the chaserblades did not contain heartless, so would have no need for that function.

The keychains no doubt contain something special about the owner's heart, and not a trinket. When Riku pulls the keyblade away from Sora forcefully, and becomes its master, it turns into a Kingdom key. The default. Keychains seem to represent hearts. (That works.) Whether it is a world's heart, or a person's heart, it is any trinket that holds memories for a heart for the ikeyblade wielder. In Castle oblivion, Sora forgets about everything. No more links to people's hearts, no more chains. This also erases other people's memories about him, wrecking the keychain's abilities.

 

Oh I see now. But can you make keychains? Like sometimes people just hand them over, and Sora finds them in treasure chest all the time.