Chain of Memories Re-posted: Anyone else actually feel Sorry for Repliku?

One of the things I've always pondered is that the Org really did not have emotions currently but just memes to do guided things of habit they had in the past and have reactions similar too. They were very expressive, more so often than someone with emotions would be as if they were compensating for the lack of them.

Roxas and Namine were different but the others were the way they were. Another thing that kind of makes me wonder is they call Repliku a failure for ...acting on his heart. Perhaps he is the first replica to do so but if they had really paid attention and studied him and his nature with a 'synthetic' heart as they say, there might have been some way to figure out a direction to get their hearts back in another way than their big plan. I do wonder how Vexen could make a 'clone' to include having a Heart and debate whether Repliku actually had a 'synthetic' heart or not as the Org members had said. How does one make a 'fake' heart? If they had the power to do this at any rate, maybe it should have told them that there were other options than making a big pseudo Kingdom Hearts to collect all those real Hearts and maybe they too could have done something.

Of course, I'm straying a bit and it's just one of those odd thoughts and I wonder where Repliku's heart actually came from. To me, he didn't really 'act' like Riku even when he was forced to have his memories and act out scenes. Then again, Sora started becoming more aggressive as well in KH:CoM too and Roxas was pretty aggressive as well. It kind of makes me wonder if Namine's ability, if not wanted, makes people pretty angry somehow because even if they can't recall what was done, it was. Before Repliku's memories were altered he seemed pretty calm, even if unstable, but part of his instability really was because of how the Org mistreated him and reminded him he was 'fake'. I couldn't consider him fake though because he had his own feelings, depth and could make decisions on his own. He couldn't be more fake than Nobodies who were supposed to not even exist and had no emotions. I also wonder if it was why Riku had more sympathy for Roxas, Namine and Axel while others at first chose to hate the Nobodies as a whole. I'm not making too much sense right now but am curious on what others think.

 

Well,the Organization was a little too expressive at times, even if they expressed their feelings by recalling their former hearts, and I think this is so because since they are beings that lack hearts and feelings, and they only know the taste of it from their memory [lol tautology :D]. Having a taste of it only makes one want more. Since they only tasted it, they kept going back for it, using it often and, well, becoming too expressive in the process. They are pretending [as Yen Sid had told Sora], they do not really know the amount of emotion a reaction might require, so they overuse it. A normal, a whole being, is well aware of their emotions, and they have a pretty good grasp of it, knowing when to use, and how much emotion they must put into certain things. However, since nobodies only know of the emotions, they cannot exactly calculate and measure how much of it they need to put into their reactions.

This is one of the basic human psychological tendencies. We want the things we don't have, and once we get a taste of it, we keep wanting more, and sometimes when we have it, we overuse it; Obsessiveness. . . ish. Consider this scenario, I suppose. Person A introduces a song to Person B, then A takes it away from B, leaving only the lingering taste of it. B is quite intrigued by that song and is overtaken by the urge to have it, and now will look for any means possible to look for something that is similar to it, because having that song meant that you'd be someone who is just like everyone else in the particular society. So B finds something similar to that song, and now will play and listen to it to fit into that popular society, and will play it over and over, repeating it, just to remember that it's still not the same as the song A had introduced. As a result, B will play the song even louder and repeat it more often, overplaying the song to create a false space where B feels that B's just like everyone else. Because B doesn't know any better about how often the song, A had introduced, should be played, B will play the song B's found, and overkill it.

O.o'

You've got a point there. O.o But, I do not think Repliku was created with a heart, but much rather developed one as the story moved on. But of course he was a clone, not an AI. Clones should be able to feel anything and everything, even if they aren't their original beings; whereas an AI is solely a hand crafted creation, and a heart and emotions are something that can be programmed into it. Others may believe it or not, but in my opinion, clones and replicas are just as real and authentic as its original. They can act and live on their own will, and are different in personalities as well. Look at Dolly, she was an actual result of cloning, a replica of some ewe, and she was a whole different ewe than her original.

Repliku wasn't given a heart when he was created, he made his own, along with his personality, that was why he was nothing like Riku, even when he had Riku's memories. Whether you're a clone/replica or not, you are well and alive, and have a conscience, thus you have a heart. Repliku's heart was real and not “synthetic†like everyone else say. I doubt that Vexen ever intended to give Repliku a heart, even if it meant that it would be synthetic. His purpose was just to serve them as a doll, and once Repliku developed a conscience of his own, he was considered a failure, and also because he was willing to defy their orders. I say that whether they liked it or not, Repliku became much more than just a fake through the game, he had a heart of his own, and a conscience as well, making him real.

No master would ever want their creation to have a mind of its own [when their purpose was supposed to be nothing more than just being a doll], and Vexen didn't see that coming, the development of Repliku's heart, that is. If Vexen was indeed able to make synthetic hearts, I'm sure they needn't a pseudo Kingdom Hearts, as you say. And if such an option existed, I am quite certain that the Organization might've gone looking for it. Which also reminds me about Dr. Finklestein. He repeatedly tried to make a synthetic heart, and failed— but later he did manage to create that giant tin can thing, yet it apparently still lacked a heart. It was sort of proven that making a synthetic heart was impossible. *facepalm* Fack. Now I'm the one not making any sense. O.o'

 

Repliku was a clone, not AI.

He did have a heart, or else he would not have been able to be mind crushed by Namine.

The org also references that he has a heat multiple times.

So he did have a heart, yeah...

 

I never said he was AI :blink:
I'd said ISH, not the entire thing itself.

 

Repliku's Life Was A Heap Load Of Poop
I Fell Sorry For Repliku He Was Created.
Then Killed D=
Poor Repliku.

 

You missed a step.

It should be:

Repliku's Life Was A Heap Load Of Poop
I Feel Sorry For Repliku He Was Created.
His memories werer mauled beyond belief.
Then he was Killed D=
Poor Repliku.

 

i do feel for him,cause he was created and then thrown away like trash.

 

yea, i mean his whole life sucked, he never had a choice and when he actually DID have one, he chose to fight Riku and listen to Axel

 

wait wasnt he created right there and then as a teen already?
did he have a childhood in the organization?

 

I think EvilMan_89 means the time Repliku had spent in Castle Oblivion, which practically IS all his life.

 

I agree with Pyro quoting krayzie whos questioning Repliku on the subject matter of this thread "Daxma breathes in"

 

Yes, he meant that Repliku's life basically was as a creation of Vexen right there at the Castle and it was brief but full of tragic events all there. The only good thing out of it was Sora and then his death which he accepted. Otherwise, he really did have a rather miserable time for his short life of maybe a day or two.

 

lol only 2 days
r u serious?
hey here a question about oblibion that i have, how come in CoM it had 13 floors and in kh2 it only had 2?
sorry to go off topic but i dont understand that

 

What do you mean only two in KH2? CO is not in KH2.

 

I always felt bad for the guy. Even though he was always trying to hurt Sora, I felt sorry for him.

 

Castle Oblivion was not in KH2. The castle in KH2 never seems to be given a name. We just know it's in TWTNW. I sometimes just call it the 'Castle Naught' when referring to it, but have no idea what the name of it actually is. Castle Oblivion was not in TWTNW. Also, it would seem that both castles had the ability to be shifted to look like what Xemnas desired them to.

 

Repliku had a sad short life filled with nothing but pain :(

R.I.P
Repliku

 

oh no wonder thanks
yeah replicu was good though
cuz he was like a riku that was always in dark from
it would be better if he would have lived and made it to kh2

 

Yeah, it would've been cool to see him return in kh2. Who knows what he would do!? He would either be calm or go berserk.

 

True. But he would loose some appeal then. After all, it only takes a glance at Shadow the Hedgehog to see what happens if you keep emo clones around.

I think it would have been interesting seeing him in KH2, due to Sora's anguish at not seeing Riku, I would have liked to see how he reacts to a Riku clone.

A problem he has is that to keep him around, he would invariably become a member of "Sora and the gang". To do this, he would need to get over his emo-cloneness, and then he would be a second Riku.