Psychiatry: An Industry Of Death

Recently I came in posetion (meaning I didn't buy it!) of a DVD, and is about psychology.
Here is the blurb on the back of the DVD:

'This riveting presentation, two years in the amking, lays bare the destrution wrought by psychiatrists upon every sector of our society. Graphic footage from archival and current films depiciting psychiatrists in action, eye=opening interviews with medical experts and movng accounts from victims and their families, make this the most complete and devestating documentry of psychiatric abuse ever produced.'

Nowat first, i thought this would be a good laugh to see if they could convince me that mental problems aren't real.


When I actually finished watching the DVD, I realized all they were discrediting was that Psychiatrists give too many drugs to people, and that its history has started things like Racism and the holocaust from world war 2.

and probably the funniest part of this DVD was at the end it said, that to stop being manipulated by Psychiatrists but more of our DVDs! Which made me laugh badly!

So I want to know if people believe if Psychiatry is a good or bad thing in their opinion.

 

Psychiatry itself is not bad or good, it is a concept and a practice, but doesn't actually act or react on it's own.

It is the people behind psychiatry that are the ones who determie its use, some use it in a bad way, but others use psychiatry to great effect in helping people.

So do ordinary doctirs, hence why there are so many illnesses now where the bacteria have become much stronger, some bacteria and viruses are now immune to some forms of medication because of over use by doctors.

I disagree with this too, go far back into history and you wil come across prejudice and bias in EVERY civilisation and EVERY society, you can't blame psychiatry for that xD nor can you blame the Holocaust on psychiatry. Persecution against the Jews has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years, INCLUDING in England during the medieval.


Personally PAW, I think that DVD is a pile of biased **** that clearly hasn't done it's research, if I were you I would put it back in it's case and never open it again.

xD​

 

I personally had a lot of contact with Psychiatrists about my High School times. I had problems with myself that I couldn't resolve, and almost flunked one grade because of that, but I managed to get out of it. I wouldn't without professional help probably.

I have social phobia. Basically, I feel very bad when surrounded by a lot of people (more then 5 to 10). That combined with a "run away mechanism" that I developed (running away from things unpleasant) made a bad mix.

A Psychologist helped me fight those things and control them, though it didn't cure me completely (I don't think that's possible, really). I did take some drugs (and they had noticeable effect), but it small doses, and I was halting them during holidays and vacation. Right now, I'm not taking them anymore, since I don't hang around in "bad" environments often.

All in all, thank got for good Psychiatrists. My live would be pretty much ruined otherwise...

@Catch The Rain
True about both. Some medication is seriously overused.
And discrimination started with slavery in ancient Egypt. All Egyptians should DIE!! (...not really :P)
What I want to know, is how Racism got into a film about Psychologists <.<

 

I too had to see someone when I was in school, though my experience was that she was a hopeless twit who needed my help more than I needed hers (or so it seemed) ._. but I haven't let that cloud my judgement :P but yes, as you say

xD I too. had wondered that :P​

 

Exactly, their are bad psychiatrists in the same way they're bad plumbers, cooks, doctors, but its like saying if you had a bad doctor it doesn't mean the unorthodox medicine theyy give you is bad, in the same way as if you have a psychiatrist doesn't mean that all psychiatrists and their methods are useless.
Its the person, the psychiatrist, who you deal with, is who you base your thoughts on all of psychiatry on.

I would agree with you here fully, but I have to say its a good piece of material on persuasive presentation, and gives me some good ideas on what to do and what not to do when making a documentry.
Plus, I have to give it to the psychology teacher in my school to see their face! XD

I'll get some more info on that soon, but it means i'll have to watch the damn thing again! XD

 

The Holocaust started because the Germans thought themselves a perfect race and every perfect race needs a foil to make them perfect. So the Jew came into the picture...a polar opposite of the Aryan superrace that Hitler had seen as the blonde haired, blue eyed German citizens.

Psychiatry had nothing to do with it. On the contrary, it was more spiritualism and the occult that fueled Naziism. Heinrich Himmler had quite an interest in such subjects even to go so far as to stylize a castle in the image of Camelot. One room in this castle bore a stylized swastika in the floor and under the floor were said to be buried the Nazi Generals. (or Obergruppenfuhrers if you prefer.)

Hitler himself turned a blind eye on Himmler's side interests as long as Himmler kept up the SS to their duties.

So the Holocaust had nothing to do with Psychiatry. Racism has existed since men started seeing differences between them.

Sounds like you now have a very expensive infomercial on dvd.

 

Do that ;]

Umm... don't do that :P I'll feel as if I forced you to undergo torture :P

 

Ok, this is some of whats on the DVD, I can't say i word by word for copyright, but i can give you a general idea:
Psychiatry's entire history, starting from conclusions made in the 1830s, was to prove the intellectual inferiority of Africans.'
'Benjamin Rush, the father of modern psychiatry and is the person who created the term 'negritude.''
'Benjamin claimed all blacks inherited a disease that made them inferior.'
'Additionly, it was very important, blacks remained seperate from white society, so white people didn't inherit the gene.'
'Saying 'negritude' was a type of leprosy, Benjamin rush, claimed seregation as a 'medical necessity.'
'So it continued the debate of continuing slavery.'

'After slavery was abolished, racism continued for psychiatry, the American Journal of Psychiatry informed people, negroes as descendants from 'savages and cannibals' wern't prepared for civillisation'

That is just some of the stuff said on the DVD.

Oh I forgot to mention the fact that this DVD was made by a group of Scientologists and now has become a group called 'CCHR' and you can get the documentry from a website but I can't show it or it will be advertising, so if people want the link PM me for it.

 

Scientologists? That's a religion. So you have a DVD made by people biased by religion that try to tell you to not trust psychologist...
...sorry, but that just stinks in my book. It's like they're preparing ground for mind control @_@

 

Psychiatry and Psychology are medical 'practices'. There are great things with the studies and then there are poor results that transpire as well. For some people, psychiatry may very well have saved their lives, or at least helped them to be better able to function in an environment that they can't really get out of due to financial situations etc. For others, giving wrongful medications, diagnoses and experimenting on them has caused suicide and even further acts of depression and feeling lost in the system. It's a double edged sword.

As CtR pointed out, psychiatrists give out too much medication that is for a 'typical' problem without fully diagnosing someone properly, but the same is done by some doctors as well. Many people nowadays are immune to certain types of antibiotics because even if someone had a viral infection, the doctors would give it 'just in case'. Part of the problem with this is because our society forces people in jobs who are sick for more than 2 days to go to a doctor in the first place. The regular flu can take a week or two to clear from a person's system. Should they go to a doctor for a simple run of the mill flu or cold that lasts more than 2 days? Even if they should not bother and can do things at home, work forces them to do it. There's no choice. So doctors will try to give out medicines to people based on getting them better quick.

The same can be said about some psychiatrists. They want to help get a student or adult back on track quickly with some drug to help elevate their moods or help them focus better and relax without so much anxiety or anger. Since they cannot just reach in and change their home life quality immediately, drugs are an immediate alleviation to the actual 'disease' that is going on which is causing an environment that is unfavorable and causing someone to feel horrible and lost. If a drug can be used to get that kid back to school and pass his or her classes, or a drug can make someone able to calm down in a work environment or family scenario, psychiatrists will try it first so that a person doesn't have to hit absolute rock bottom and can keep whatever favorable things in his/her life there are.

Is it always right? No. Doctors should not give out antibiotics to patients that don't require them. They are useless and all it does is make a patient more tired from the antibiotics and also build up a tolerance. Psychiatrists should not just give out pills after one mere visit for 15 minutes to half an hour either with a patient. Sometimes it can work out. However, there are a fairly large number of people that suffer from this and later go through having to switch psychiatrists to get another diagnosis because the first one was based on 15 minutes of crap discussion. Also, ANY drug, especially ones that mess with hormone levels and seratonin etc, will have side effects.

I do believe there are mental 'disorders' and mental health severe issues as well. I do know for a fact that some people 'do' require medication, and that others can do without it. I also know that sometimes taking drugs for a period of time and then teaching the person how to deal with the stress better can help so that later the person can quit taking the drug and change their own moods etc easier themselves. Much of what happens to most people with light disorders is that they have trouble fitting in with others and the way things are taught or the environment in which information is passed onto them. Pills do not make a nasty home life better. However, with counseling, they can help a person to make up his or her mind and decide if living in that scene is right or wrong.

I have seen great results from psychiatrists and horrible results. The best results and best psychiatrists tend to be after a person has plummeted to rock bottom and takes him/herself to somewhere and begs for help. It is as if otherwise it just is not taken as serious as it should be. Those who are at the bottom get classes with groups, medicine, counseling and better therapy. This isn't to say the psychiatrists that deal with walk-in cases aren't all as good, but many seem to just have a way of slapping things together for a file and not really going as in depth as they should with each person.

A few friends of mine had gone for 'help' and from the typical psychiatrist, walked in, got medicine prescriptions and 15 minute sessions every two weeks. After they finally collapsed and said they couldn't take anymore at hospitals, they were introduced to counselors that spent no less than an 'HOUR' with the patients and gave them tests, questioned them extensively, had them take pictures of their house, write about people and talk about their environments in detail. It was after this that they were taken a lot more serious.

Seeing as I have had this run around BS from doctors too and know many others who have, there just seems to be a need to shop around for truly good doctors in the field of physical pain and the same applies to those who deal with mental issues. I feel the psychiatry and psychology fields are very needed, but at the same time, you do not have to settle for a mediocre money grubber either. They exist as surely as regular doctor money grubbers do. However, there are a fair amount of people that genuinely love their professions and want to help others.

And here I have made another essay. =:) Very good topic to bring up.

 

Oh, and one thing... I don't think that Psychiatrists have too much medication.

1st: That stuff effects your brain, and not some viruses. You don't need any help battling your own brain (unless you're thinking of suicide or something like that). Strong prescriptions aren't needed. (Misuse by the actual patients aside)

2nd: Unless you take it for a very long time, you can't have any sort of immunity. Some medicines don't work on some sicknesses, because the BACTERIA are immune to that medication. In Psychology, there's no bacteria to begin with. Again, strong prescriptions are not needed.

3rd: Conventional sicknesses are cured by drugs. Is psychology, drugs are just a help. The real "curing" is up to the psychiatrist and the patient, so there's no "just in case".

All in all, the part about too much psy medicaments is utter c**p.

 

Not always. You can't exactly 'talk it through' with a psychiatrist to cure yourself from being bipolar. Lots of illnesses require people to be on medication for the rest of their lives, with a psychiatrist looking over their progress to make sure nothing goes out of hand.

The part about 'too much medication' more refers to the common argument that many psychiatrists are too quick with prescribing medication for their patients. It's a fact that non-medication methods of therapy show more long-lasting results in their recovery and lessen the probability of relapses, but in many cases (like I specified above with bipolar as an example), some conditions absolutely require medication in order to be handled.

 

Tell that to Schizophrenic patients.

Patients can build up tolerances to the neurological effects of the drugs they're given, and excessive dosage can even cause a number of neurological side effects. For example people with Parkinson's disease take dopamine to decrease their tremors, but taking too much can result in behaviour very similar to Schizophrenia.

The fact is like all medical practitioners there's always the option to screw up. Half the time is because a nurse reads a chart wrong or a doctor signs off on the wrong treatment. It happens. It should also be known that psychiatrists are the ones that prescribe medication because they have a medical degree. Therapists in most cases are there for you to sort out your problems.

 

As others have noted, there are severe conditions such as bipoloar, schizophrenia, Multiple Personality Disorder, OCD, PTSD etc where depending on how severe, they may be on medication the rest of their lives. Drugs aren't just a 'help' in some cases. They are something that some people have to expect they may have to live with because the problem would not go away whether they switched their life style and environment or not.

However, the problem remains that some people are misdiagnosed due to the fact that psychiatrists don't spend enough time with a patient unless they are decent and not just out for money. Depression is a common thing to treat, but quite a few times, it is just something caused by an underlying mental condition such as OCD or PTSD or ADD etc. Also, these disorders can range in how severe they are, as can conditions such as bipolar or schizophrenia. If any medications are given, or not given, a patient trusts a psychiatrist to help him or her fix up things and move forward.

Despite all of the problems with psychiatry though, having taken some courses myself in it in college, I can see the reasons why it is necessary. Also, knowing some friends that battle with things and having ADD that varies in severity myself, I can say it is more important than some people say. I don't like drugs and so try to deal with things myself but I do know bipolar people that they are nearly totally different people when off drugs. Also, people with PTSD and OCD can be quite different too when on treatment and off it. So that video that you have PAW is a bunch of crap really. Scientologists also try to tell people to not take drugs and psychiatry is a joke. I don't think 'drugs' are for everyone but again, I think it depends on the people individually. Having no psychiatry field would be a nightmare, but I do think it needs to be fixed up some, for the reasons I stated in my post above and others have also said.

 

Very true, some things just require long term medicine. I was talking about the more "gentile" types. I seriously don't think that those who made the DVD are willing to argue, that you shouldn't give drugs to patients with schizophrenia or something like that. That would be just stupid. It's like not giving any medicine to someone with cancer <.<

So leaving those things aside...
If you start developing tolerance to a drug (and have, let's say, depression), that that just means that:
a) The psychiatrist didn't help you enough in this time.
b) You yourself don't want to get cured.

Finally, in everything that human judgment takes place, there's a place to screw up. Not just Psychiatry. It shouldn't be judged alone.

 

While I do agree that there are a ridiculous amount of kids with ADHD being diagnosed, patients with severe schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, clinical depression(in which they are a danger to themselves and others), anxiety disorders, etc. should be on medication. These kids just might have an active personality, doesn't mean they have ADHD.

Moving on.

a) Maybe. But it's more likely that the medication just doesn't work. Lithium will not work for every patient for Bipolar Disorder. Same as Prozac does not work for everyone with depression. Everyone is different.

b) True. If people don't take the medication then they won't be helped. Aside from wanting to take herbal supplements which the jury is still out on. They either work or they don't. But say a person with Bipolar is prescribed Lithium, they go into a manic mood and decide they don't need the medication so they stop taking it.

That's why it's called a 'practice'. We don't know everything about the human mind same as we don't know everything about the human body. The field of Psychiatry has come leaps and bounds since we just shoved them into Institutions up until the 1970s. Most of those are closed down last I looked.

We're human beings, we're going to screw up every once in awhile.

 

No, tolerance for psychoactive drugs usually results from the brain's own compensation from the introduction of the drug. Yes the amount a person takes can greatly increase this but in general the brain reacts to alterations that shouldn't be there. For example if you're taking medication that decreases the activity within the brain (i.e. to combat stress or to calm you down) the brain instinctively increases the number of receptors for the activity being inhibited. As a result you require more and more higher doses of the medication to produce the decrease in activity.

The psychiatrist prescribes drugs that work, it's just the human body is a very unpredictable thing. And as you can see whether or not someone desires to be cured has no effect on whether or not they become tolerant to the meds they're on. These things just happen and produce a vicious cycle.

 

Yeah, don't want to regurgitate what White_Rook said, but I feel compelled to still get my 2 cents in.

Developing a tolerance to a drug is a chemical adaptation your body makes. The period in which this happens differs for each individual and in no way should be justified with the reasons you gave. Psychiatrists prescribe these drugs with a knowledgeable history on how they work and on *average*, know how these drugs perform overtime. But a Psychiatrist can never predict if and when a patient will develop a tolerance for the drug.

But even so, a person developing a tolerance for a drug does not = patient doesn't want to be cured/psychiatrist isn't helping. I fail to see any correlation between the two, and I'm fairly certain there is no causation between them.

 

Not to add a bit further into this, but also some drugs work well on some patients with common symptoms while others can have very bad reactions to the same drug regardless of dose.

Prozac has been known, instead of causing relief from depression, to send some people into suicidal tendencies. I had a friend that seriously wanted to kill herself and I tossed the prozac down the toilet and read on it after getting her to get some help.

I was given amitrypteline for pain management and I found out it is also a psychiatric drug for depression. In the small dose I was given, I still was made tremendously lethargic, saw crystalline spiders crawling on walls and was tripping out and had to go to the hospital for a reaction.

Another friend was given simbalta for OCD and which would help with anxiety. This caused her to be even more anxious and she had to go and have the medicine switched.

So, in the end, it's not the patient's fault that they are chemically built up differently and psychiatrists know that every drug will not work for every patient. We can develop tolerances and the body can correct itself as well in time, people in different areas who adapt there may have to switch medications because of things that change and people's reactions to new things, and tolerances happen by chemical adaptation. Many patients want help or they would not go to a psychiatrist in the first place. Also, some drugs that are used for other things are also used in psychiatry and you can find out early it's not for you.

I will say that sometimes you are right with your responses that a patient may not want help and do things that are self-destructing in nature, or a psychiatrist didn't do enough in time because I've seen both behaviors occur, but it's not always the case. It's a medical 'practice' as others have said and I did too. It's come a long way from the Freudian days but it has a long way to go so mistakes will happen and any drug you take can be a good thing and a bad thing at the same time. If you have to take one, there are always side effects so it's a measure of weighing if the treatment is worth the pain of the other issues drugs can bring up. For some patients, it clearly has to be or else they might do something very regrettable.

 

Let me elaborate a bit about point a, because I feel that it was misinterpreted a bit.

By "The psychiatrist didn't help you enough in this time" I mean that he generally should cure you of the strong symptoms before the tolerance kicks in, and the drugs shouldn't be needed by that time. Again, I'm talking about conditions not requiring long term medication.

Repliku posted some interesting things about bad medication. That's a very good topic. Some people react to the same drug differently. Some less, and some more serious. Parents, or other family members should watch anyone taking that sort of medication for any change of character, since it may sometimes not be noticed by the patient himself. Any symptoms should be reported to the psychiatrist so he can react if needed.

Personally, I reacted good to the drug I was taking. I was happier and more confident. I was taking them for about half a year, every year for 3 years. (so I had breaks).

PS: But I saw this one documentary on Discovery Channel about one of the School Massacres involving 2 students. One was a psycho, but the other was on medication, that was causing increased violence. Why didn't no one notice sooner? (a rhetorical question).