PS3 outsells the Wii in Japan for a second week in a row...

Yamauchi's comment, for one, was 4 years after Square had officially left Nintendo and started making Playstation games exclusively. That doesn't excuse it being an idiotic comment, but it gives it context so you can probably see why he said it, it's like Sony saying that Grand Theft Auto was never important to them when GTA4 went multiplatform, saying that the series is not significant to them

 

...I think there's a significant difference from Yamauchi blatantly insulting a good part of RPG players and Sony acting like the usual snob about their Pride from a highhorse. <__<;

 

Do you deny what he says, really?
The RPG genre is a lonely one

I don't see how stating a harsh truth, albeit generalized and stereotyping, is any better or worse than saying that your fanbase are mindless drones who will buy anything you make simply because it has your brand-name on it, even if you make no effort to actually give them something to enjoy.

 

Not necessarily. It's possible to still have a blast with several people when playing RPGs. Personally I enjoy them better with my sister and/or friend, but that's mostly because they make hilarious remarks at anything. So I suppose it was easier for me to take this the wrong way, especially with the way he said it.

No, it doesn't make it any better or worse, but I was however questioning the example you brought up in that post to justify your point.

 

No, it's an enjoyable one, at least to me. Lonely is a state of mind, and playing by yourself isn't lonely if you're enjoying yourself and having fun.

It's not a truth, it's an opinion.

 

Sony's previous prez had some pretty laughable quotes as well. One I fondly remember being "I believe we have created the most beautiful thing [PSP] in the world".

There's a reason Kutaragi and Yamauchi aren't presidents of their respective companies any more.

 

Did he say they didn't enjoy themselves? Did he say they were 'lonely'? He said they were alone, in their rooms, playing slow games. That is the very nature of the RPG genre, a single player experience, by yourself, logging 50+ hours into an adventure

You're alone, you're in a room, and you're playing a slow game.

perhaps the 'depressed' part is subjective, but honestly, all the JRPG players I know are weaboo/emos, so to me that part fits the role quite a lot

Is it that way for every single person who players RPGs? No, but the nature of the genre lends people to be that way, hence why it's a generalization

 

Yeah, he also said they were 'depressed'. Not true.

 

Agreed.

/fillerz/

 

Another aspect of the RPG genre. Think about it, how many RPGs do you play where there isn't some dark depressing past, silent protagonist, emo villain who's wardrobe is 90% belts and zippers, cliche'd tragic deaths and betrayals?

It's a generalization, but the reason they exist is because it stems from observational truth. Similarly how everyone thinks of Halo players as college fratboys who can't go 2 sentences without cursing you out for stealing his kill? You know that's how, at least at some point, you and/or others think of people who play SHOOTAN GAEMZ

 

You just described every single Nomura game that currently exists.

 

The story of an RPG has no correlation with the disposition of the player playing it.
Playing a game with a dark depressing storyline =/= Depressed/emo Player playing it.

Sure, generalizations exist, but are you saying you condone them? Because I sure don't. And no, I believe there is a *part* of the FPS community who might fall under that category you described, but I'm not ignorant enough to speak as if I know everyone in the genre. Don't generalize me, please. <.<

 

you just admitted the observation is correct, even if only in part

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Is it that way for every single person who plays the genre? No, but the nature of it lends people to be that way, or atleast attracts people who are already like that, hence why it's an observational truth.

It's a single player experience, you're playing a long and slow game, and the very nature of the genre is cliche'd depressing storylines with emo badass beltan zipper characters

Just like the FPS series is mindless self-fulfilling alien killing with manly generic badass characters with can wield 40 different weapons and save the world single handedly

 

You're twisting the topic around. Yamauchi made a generalization to the entirety of the people who play the RPG genre, and is the entire reason why I debated it in the first place. I don't care if he wanted to say a group of people like that 'exist', because frankly, there might be, but to take that heuristic and label the entire RPG community as such is stupid.

but it doesn't encompass it entirely.

Don't generalize the entire genre, please.

 

it's a generalization because the majority of the genre is like that

and can't you wait like 5 minutes before quoting me and making a response? xD I always take like 5 minutes after initially posting to edit my post, so you quoted me from 5 minutes ago which is a different post from the one it is now <.<

 

Then say the majority of the genre is like that, not 'the very nature of the genre'.

lol, fine. <.<

 

oh pssh, you know that when people make RPGs these days they want to cater to the depressed weaboo audience xD

 

I can't help but think you're only talking about Square-Enix XD. In any case, that's why FF isn't my favourite RPG series. Shadow Hearts and Suikoden are above FF in my hierarchy of RPGs.

And sure, both Shadow Hearts and Suikoden have a much smaller fanbase, so I'm not denying that perhaps a large part of the genre is dominated by Nomura and his assortment of characters that all look somewhat alike o.o

But to me, it looks like this 'emo/weeaboo plots with spikey haired protagonists' you speak of is a Square-Enix trademark, and should be addressed as such; (in other words), shouldn't we base this more as 'Square-Enix RPGs' rather than 'the very nature of RPGs'?

 

Yeah, I guess it just seems like there's so much S-E infleunce on the genre that everything they do just bleeds into the image of the entire medium xD

 

So does that mean that the fight is over and the rest of us can come out of hiding?
xD