Birth by Sleep Origin of New Enemies

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  1. Twilight's Rose Banned

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    We all know that the heartless are born when the heart is separated from the body and that the body and soul are reborned in a realm that doesn't exists, but! What happens to the spirit and will?

    So im just saying that the spirit forms a body and the will gives life to it.

    Also, the new enemy symbol looks like an hourglass, meaning time and meaning spirit.
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    Any comments?
     
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    I have to keep repeating myself...remember the term endless from the first KH2 secret ending? That should be enough of an answer. That is most likely the name of the new enemy in the series and it makes sense with that whole hourglass thing.
     
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    Did you read the title?
    It says:
    ORIGIN of New Enemies.
    Not:
    NAME of new enemies!

    And besides:
    Endless: Infinite, immortality
    Why wouldn't they in neither other KH games if they are "Endless"

    DisSoul: No souls
    How can they have no soul if the Nobodies weren't still introduced in the game? Meaning the soul can't have the intelligence of fusing with the body and reborning it. Meaning that in BBS the enemies can't be called DisSouls.

    And also, Nomura hasn't confirmed the state of these words. It could also refer to the Heatless since they lack both hearts and souls beceause it states that the Nobody is born from the body and soul left behind. And Endless might refer to as in the darkness in people's heart.
     
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    I like the symbol.If it means time and spirit,could these enemies use the power of time?
     
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    If it was possible the heroes would already died since they could stop time and kill them, use logic.
     
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  6. Arch Mana Knight

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    Heartless do not lack hearts...wtf? They are what the heart becomes when it is consumed by darkness.
     
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    WRONG!
    They are the darkness in people's hearts.
    Also, if your gonna keep saying that my theory is wrong is because your saying that that isn't their name and im talking about their origin!

    Also,
    If the new enemies were to be named from one of those names, what about the other name?
     
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  8. Arch Mana Knight

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    I wouldn't know. I'm not Nomura. If the heartless don't have hearts where did the heart go? It didn't go to kingdom hearts. Also remember that when you kill a heartless a heart comes out? Explain that please. If you can explain it I'll rethink my little theory. Unless I can think of a flaw in your expaination.
     
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    "When you unleash the rage of the keyblade to a heartless, it unleashes the heart it DEVOURED,"
    "Heartless only collect hearts to ADVANCE in ranks"

    Even if heartless have a heart they use it to advance in ranks meaning that the cost of advancing is to sacrifice the devoured heart.
     
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    Hmmm...I see...then why do larger heartless only release one heart(I know it's a bigger heart but it is still one)? I think the darker your heart the higher ranking heartless you become. I haven't seen a shadow become a neoshadow as of yet.
     
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    Not with boss heartless. Guard Armor had a large heart...wait...didn't it split into two? Either way I doubt they use hearts to increase rank. It's how much darkness is in your heart that determines that. Just look at Sora. Strong heart yet he was a shadow. Xehanort's heartless on the other hand...do I need to elaborate? Xehanort's Heartless>>>>>>>>Shadow
     
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    i think the enemys name is endless as well, and there not heartless (people with out hearts) or nobodies (strong wills and bodys) i think that there just darkness...plain and simple
     
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    My bad...I tend to do that...xD I basically gave an example of a larger heart coming out of a heartless(Gaurd Armor). Then I went a little off and said that heartless don't use other hearts to increase rank. Either you start out a shadow or you're something else depending on your inner darkness.
     
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    uhhh...can we get back on topic? Origin of the new enemy...hmmm...what if the new enemy is some kind of preheartless? Hard to explain but...maybe they evolved into the heartless we know now...wait that's a stupid theory...
     
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    That annoys me about KH. Why can't there be a truly good dark user? Mickey doesn't count because well...duh! He's freaking Mickey! Riku turned into Rikunort with the darkness so no he doesn't count...I want a new enemy that uses light! *calms down*
    Back on topic...they have to be made of more than darkness...like the oldest theory(not literally) states. The new enemy has something to do with the soul...
     
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    If they are made from darkness they appear from hearts because the darkness were borned from the heart then they began to spread.
     
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    OK?
    Anyways, another origin mid be from the light. Light can be evil at sometimes, since Namine belong to light she began to change Sora's memories for him to be inloved wit her.
     
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    yay! Finally someone with a light=evil theory! Yeah...but seeing as how Namine is a nobody she isn't on the light side. Nobodies are twilight, neither light nor dark. Although I would LOVE to see an enemy that originates from light...it won't happen because SE likes the whole ZOMG YOU R DARK I MUST PWN U!!! thing.
     
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    lmao so so true!!

    but i actualy see that kinda of enemy in KH3 and then sora and the gang has to use darkness to win
    or somthing like that, the point is it would show us the "whole" kingdom hearts story, light and darkness

    but off topic... :P
     
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    Either that or a keyblader of light who's like "I'll show you the true power of the light side." *shocks Sora and co* then they have to fight that guy and stuff happens and people make rps/fan fics about KH4.
    On topic...well I don't have much to add anymore...Let's see... light won't be an origin of the new enemy just yet(I kinda hope I'm wrong)...souls are somewhat likely to be involved(but maybe only for KH3)...darkness and hearts are supposed to be involved...well that's all I got.
     
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