Organisation XII's plan all along. (Theory)

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  1. phoenixkh93 Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Organisation XIII's plan all along. (Theory)

    Right, I've come up with a theory, and I apologise in advance if this is already confirmed/already a theory/something everyone already knew.
    But what if the Organisations (or at least Xemnas') plan the whole time was to be destroyed by a Keyblade wielder such as Sora and come back as whole beings? Maybe Xemnas knew that if a Nobody and their Heartless were destroyed, they would become whole again. Just think about it for a minute. It always bugged me how the Organisation threw themselves one by one at Sora (and Riku) and just got destroyed. I know they didn't want to kill Sora because they needed him alive, but in that case why fight him at all, and not just run away? Or if they really wanted to stop him, all join forces and fight him as a group? He wouldn't have stood a chance.
    Also this makes more sense then their rather vague plan of 'get Kingdom Hearts and build a new world'. How about they only made Sora fight and kill all those heartless to increase the odds that somewhere along the line he would destroy their heartless? Then they used the Kingdom Hearts moon as a checkpoint to show when they had amassed enough hearts to give them a reasonable chance of becoming whole again once destroyed. This also fits in with when they got Roxas and Xion to fill a quota of Heartless destroyed with the keyblade in 358/2.
    And in that case, you ask, why not just tell Sora their plan? Well Sora would most likely not have fought them. Imagine the idea that Sora knew he would be bringing Xehanort back again, and the other somebodies of the organisation possibly even more powerful then ever. They probably just fed Sora the schmuck about controlling Kingdom Hearts to make sure he did exactly as they wanted.
    Then again, maybe Xemnas didn't let on to the rest of the organisation the actual plan. Axel didn't seem to let on he knew about it.
    And it looks like the plan has worked, at least from what we've seen of the KH3D trailers. I've just recently seen the very newest one, and at the end I see what looks uncannily like a group of people dressed in Organisation coats. The newly formed organisation of somebodies?
    What do you all think?
     
  2. exile0025 Gummi Ship Junkie

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    it's a possibility
     
  3. Blader Traverse Town Homebody

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    Well, Saix does make mention of a "plan" in Days, and Xigbar seems very uncertain about Xemnas succeeding. Or, from his point, Xemnas is loco. It does have merit, AND could tie into Marluxia and Larxene's plan, although Larxene wasn't to excited about having a heart. The throwing themselves is odd. But, it's Roxas(and or Xion and Ven) with a heart versus Nobodies. Roxas will win. I dunno. Sounds genuis. Perhaps a back plan Xigbar had? He NEVERdies.
    Have you ever thought that Nomura has had all this planned out in advance?
     
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    That plan was his and Axel's plan to find the room that Xemnas was searching for in Castle Oblivion and take over the Organization by using it against him. They were traitors from the very beginning.

    Xigbar however, was never fond of Xehanort. Unlike Xemnas, his memory isn't fractured. He just seems to be the type to get on the side that he thinks is the strongest. Xigbar didn't seem to have a plan of his own.

    Anyways, given how unreliable Xemnas's memory is at times I really don't think he planned for them to be defeated by Sora. Why would he have allowed Xion to exist? Why would they bother using Roxas to destroy Heartless? It's a lot of wasted effort if all he wanted to do was get "killed" by Sora to come back as a Somebody. Not only that, your Heartless has to be defeated as well. Who's to say that their Heartless was not still running around? Xemnas's and Axel's(apparently) were defeated before their Nobody so they can return. As for the other Organization members, it'd be a gamble letting yourself get "killed" by Sora without knowing if your Heartless has been defeated. It'd be a really stupid plan compared to the original which was to gather a lot of hearts.
     
  5. Clawtooth Keelah se'lai!

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    If this was the plan all along, that would explain the whole "Sora waging war on the Organization" thing that people seem to have a problem with in KH2. They threw themselves in his way because they wanted to be killed. If DDD is any indication, from the trailers, we know that at least Lea and Braig have become human again. I would be amazed if this were true, it makes the Org a lot more cunning than I originally thought they were.
     
  6. Cloudrunner62 Twilight Town Denizen

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    Indeed.
    As to most of it, Machina is right. As to the why not team up thing...Its a rule of hero stories that big bads don't fight together...Sora wouldn't have stood a chance if they had teamed up. But then the game would fail and sales would plummet. Gotta look at it from the outside of the game itself sometimes.
     
  7. i always thought that the orginisations job was to try to being back roxas in Kh2 and bring him back, hopeing that he would have froten why he left the orginisation and start anew
     
  8. phoenixkh93 Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Thing is, they were trying to get him back, but if my theory fits, it is because they needed him to destroy more heartless. They were never exactly the caring types, it's not like most of them cared about Roxas as a person.

    I think Nomura has EVERYTHING planned out in advance. And if he doesn't he manages to retcon everything pretty convincingly. :)

    That's why I'm saying, this is why they manipulated Sora into defeating so many Heartless in the first place. Not only that, they had Roxas and Xion both destroying countless heartless as well. That's three keyblade wielders plowing through thousands of heartless (maybe not all at the same time though). And that's the whole point! He used Roxas, and even created Xion in order to get as many heartless destroyed as possible to increase the odds! Anyway, his original plan was even more stupid and nonsensical. After 3 playthrough's I'm still not exactly sure precisely what it was he was trying to do.
     
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    Agree, agree and...AGREE. But them coming back alive? It does seem more cunning, but perhaps not everybody knew. Axel sure didn't. Xigbar may have known, he may not.

    Xemnas does say that he doesn't care if Xion kills Roxas or Roxas kills Xion. One keyblader is enough. And for Machina, Xion is a CLONE. You're using a clone of the main hero's love interest with black hair and a keyblade, to grind ANY progress on reviving Sora to a complete halt AND collect countless hearts, and get a version of "Sora", completely loyal to you. Win-win-win situation. I still think Xigbar has some faint idea of living again, that and his hand is in everyone's pie.
    His spying list:
    Zexion(KHIIFM+)
    Xemnas(KHIIFM+)
    Saix(Days)
    Axel(Days)
    Xion(Days)
    Roxas(Days)
    That's a fairly good list to keep tabs on, as well as a good chunk of blackmail. And, if you're going to die, why throw out a ambiguous comment about Ven, Aqua and Terra? Not some cheesy last words? You would have some inkling of possibly being brought back to life? Maybe?
     
  10. phoenixkh93 Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Yeah could all be that Xigbar was the man with the plan the whole time. He is far far more important than we see at first glance, and it could be only him who actually knows everything that's going on in the organisation.
     
  11. Zer0-Vestige Merlin's Housekeeper

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    I dont trust xigbar, what bothers me that he has the 2nd highest chair
     
  12. phoenixkh93 Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Maybe that just comes with being No.2 in the organisation?
     
  13. Excasr The Forgotten XIII

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    Well, it's a possibility. But honestly I doubt it; because I believe their only plan was collect many hearts and become "whole" again.

    If I recall correctly, Xion and Roxas just had a lot of collect hearts missions to make their Kingdom Hearts even more powerful and powerful. There is no why lie about this at the end of Kingdom Hearts II. Also, each of them had some kind of reason to be there or do somethings that they wanted, so they wouldn't fight Sora everyone together.

    They just wanted to let Sora live in Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories to get his control. Them make him their puppet. That was at least Marluxia's plan for Sora. While Xemnas wanted him to collect hearts.

    That's my opinion, though just like mine, yours is really a possibility.​


     
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    Wouldn't they have only come alive if they used the hearts in "Kingdom Hearts" (the moon), but dying would only have led them to fade out of existence, ("Silly... Just because you have a next life..." - Axel to Roxas as he is in a damaged state.)
     
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    I have a crazy theory Xehanort is failing on purpose